@marc0janssen
There is no point if your friends don't use it, try to convince close friends and then spread that circle slowly
@nikolal yes that’s the hard part. All are not worried or conscious about privacy at all.
@marc0janssen @nikolal you should ditch both #WhatsApp & #signal. https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/779 Tell your friends if they really care to stay in touch with you, they would not impose a system that requires you to register a phone#.
@resist1984 @nikolal what do you use then? Riot?
@marc0janssen
I think you need to set up first your threat model. Do you need your chats to be secure while you chat with your friends? Or do you need to have anonymity while chatting? I don't need anonymity but I like my chats to be secure with FOSS project so I'm using Signal which is proven to do that job very well. https://thehackernews.com/2016/10/signal-messenger-fbi-subpoena.html?m=1
As for anonymous chat apps I suggest Briar, but again you have to scan each other QR codes for identity exchange
@resist1984
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@nikolal @marc0janssen @resist1984 Briar is excellent, and it no longer required scanning QR codes. From my review:
"7/7/2019- Update: You can now add remote contacts by exchanging Briar URLs. In the contacts list choose the "Add contact at a distance" option and enter the Briar URL of your remote contact which they will need to send you via another channel. This is also where you will see your own Briar URL to send to others."
@marc0janssen @nikolal @resist1984
Yes the trouble is convincing people to care about privacy. All you can do is mention the latest Facebook/WhatsApp scandal in casual conversation. I think Signal is the best gateway to get people to better options if you already know their phone number.
@supernova @nikolal @resist1984 yes. I know their numbers. But they have to install that app. I hear a lot that they will miss out with their contacts because they don’t switch. It seems it missing a critical mass. Whatsapp was just there at the right time 10 years ago when people looked for alternatives to SMS/text. Facebook had the right amount of money years later.
@supernova @nikolal @marc0janssen You don't need to convince friends to care about #privacy. You only need to convince them that *you* care about privacy. If they're your friend, that will respect that.
@supernova @marc0janssen @nikolal @resist1984
#Signal as the rest of centralised services is less secure than decentralised ones. The main thought is that the centralised ones are more vulnerable to external factors like pressure groups.If people could set e-mail address on various servers they can set xmpp address.Try #xmpp. You can even run your own server. Imagine that #Google about 20 years ago had a motto "don't be evil".Perhaps #Moxie is cool and brave guy today but tomorrow nobody knows.
@marc0janssen @nikolal @supernova it sounds like we're talking about not so good friends. If someone is too lazy to install Briar in order to talk to you, do they really care to talk to you? I wouldn't be so fast to call them a friend. You need to stand up for yourself. I don't have a Facebook account and my friends respect that. They know that Facebook is /their/ problem- a bad habit that needs to be kicked.
@resist1984
I should value people over chat app they are willing to use? My really good friends prefer chatting live with beer as communication booster over some stupid app. Get a grip dude
@marc0janssen @supernova
@nikolal @resist1984 @marc0janssen This is getting away from the OP request for suggestions. You could slowly limit your use of WhatsApp, not respond to them in a timely manner and mention that Signal is the best way to contact you. Don't cut off WA completely but make it a little painful. Most people have lots of apps, so ask them to kindly install Signal, what's one more really going to hurt?
@supernova @nikolal @resist1984 I try that approach. See what happens.
@nikolal @supernova @marc0janssen it's the other way around. It's your friends who don't value you if they refuse to contact you using your chosen app of higher ethical and privacy standards.
@supernova @nikolal @resist1984 all are brilliant. But the trouble is getting your contacts to migrate. Otherwise it will be lonely chats with yourself.