resist1984 @resist1984@social.privacytools.io
Joined Mar 2019
@jgoerzen @zeh @Mr_Teatime regarding your grandma never having anything but a landline telephone-- that excludes her from using Signal. Wire would work with just a landphone, dial-up access, and an old desktop, if necessary.
@Mr_Teatime @zeh @jgoerzen The only thing unusual about my grandma is she uses linux. Which is not to say she's technologically advanced, but she never used Windows or Mac, so she never had the disadvantage of developing bad habits & proprietary knowledge in the days before linux became user friendly.
@jgoerzen @zeh @Mr_Teatime If Wire were to sell out to GAFAM and start requiring a mobile phone like Signal does, I'm sure Jami will have sufficiently improved by then.
@Mr_Teatime @zeh @jgoerzen it would be bizarre priorities for a grandma /not/ to be inclusive. What grandma is going to not talk to a family member for not having a mobile phone? Of course grandma wants to talk to everyone, whether they have a mobile phone or not-- a requirement that #Signal can't meet. Wire can. Wire is inclusive, so it makes more sense for a family to use.
@rysiek if you just want your tor IP, indeed that's a good way to get it. Best to burdon Cloudflare resources in that case, as opposed to check.torproject.org. But it's not too useful other than checking if you're on Tor & to check if your "signal newnym" command worked.
@joerebelloharley@tilde.zone Plz start one that will break the stranglehold #Paypal has on the world.
@federico3 @ashwinvis And suppose #Sony wanted to sue. What could they claim if they aren't willing to sell their own software?
@diffrentcolours @gemlog do you keep the flue shut? maybe indoor air is getting out which may be attracting them.
@gemlog @diffrentcolours not too long ago someone in the UK found a dead pigeon in their chimney, which had a collar and a tiny cylinder with a note in it. It was a WW2 note. Note sure why pigeons are attracted the chimneys.
@Mr_Teatime @jgoerzen @zeh indeed. XMPP & Matrix fail the grandma test because of difficulty. #Signal fails the grandma test because of exclusivity. Wire is really the best thing when security, ease of use, and inclusivity are all factors.
@Mr_Teatime @jgoerzen @zeh So #Signal is /exclusive/, while #Wire is inclusive. Wire is therefore more suitable for the grandma use case.
@zeh @jgoerzen @Mr_Teatime a lot of people are willing to use exclusive technologies, but grandmas, not so much. They tend to want to include everyone in their families.
@Mr_Teatime @jgoerzen @zeh grandma may have 50+ people in the family. Do all 50+ family members have a both a mobile phone & the willingness to share their number with OWS? Both of my grandmas would be excluding me if they were to use Signal.
resist1984
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This is a copy of the #DDG-related post that Bruce #Schneier #censored at
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/11/surveillance_as_1.html
@jgoerzen @zeh @Mr_Teatime Wire is more suitable for grandma, because it works on all major desktop systems and mobile devices, and registration does not require a mobile phone number.
@Mr_Teatime @zeh @jgoerzen I've always considered #Signal trash (see https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/779). For #Schneier to endorse it for "grandma" neglects the fact that Signal is exclusive. It completely disservices grandmas who just want to reach everyone. Signal excludes those without mobile phones & those unwilling to share their number with OWS, which makes grandma exclusive.
@gadonias I convinced a group of students to use #LaTeX for their scientific deliverables, and the day a paper became due they all reverted to Google docs and refused to go back to latex. I was trying to convince students to demand that the prof use GNU Octave instead of Matlab, and the prevailing attitude was commercial software is better quality.
@gadonias Indeed the elderly just want to be in touch with their family and they will use whatever the family uses. It's the kids who drive it, so it is the kids who must be pursuaded away from GAFAM. And the outlook is disappointing. I recently visited a college of science & technology and not a single student ran linux. It was all Mac & Windows, & not a single student was free of Facebook.
I suppose we could expand the process, so everyone sends the signed keys to a trusted intermediary, who then witholds sigs that would go to someone who didn't do their homework.
Joined Mar 2019
