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@marc0janssen @nikolal i'm not sure why you seem to be sympathetic to neo-nazis, but there's plenty of *global* wrongdoing at the hands of Amazon, Google, and CloudFlare. If you don't give a shit, then ethics is obviously a moot point for you.

@nikolal @marc0janssen also partnered with BP and Shell to use machine learning to dig for fossil fuel. This is not strictly US harm.

@marc0janssen @nikolal just b/c you can't vote doesn't mean you don't have any influence on US elections. Do you own any Sony or Motorola products? Do you ever buy Marlboro cigs, Goose Island IPA, or ship FedEx? These corps finance the republican party in the US.

@nikolal @marc0janssen Amazon is causing immeasurable harm to the environment, and you can't tell me Amazon isn't affecting Europe. Amazon hired neo nazis in Germany to intimidate immgrant workers. Signal and Wire use Amazon for hosting.

@marc0janssen @nikolal first of all, you should care about what Trump is doing to the planet, what he did to Ukraine - his destruction is not confined to the US. And that was just an example.

@nikolal @marc0janssen if your friends give any friction over using , , or , & you know they don't give a rat's ass about , ethics is easier to sell. E.g. helped Trump get elected.

@marc0janssen @nikolal I don't need Snowden-level security either. My main objective is ethical consumption. Privacy is secondary. It's about boycotting corporate harm & wrongdoing. Signal feeds lots of bad players.

@marc0janssen @nikolal no it doesn't. It's optional. If you don't supply a ph# then you must supply an email (which can be disposable)

@marc0janssen @nikolal for iOS (and presumably low-tech users) you need Wire, which doesn't require a ph#.

@nikolal @marc0janssen mass surveillance should be in your threat model, and promotes all the mass surveillance-pushing tech giants (, , , )

@marc0janssen @nikolal convincing ppl to use makes you part of the problem. You become the person that pushes people into a that excludes those who don't want to share their ph# & patronize all the privacy-abusing tech giants. See github.com/privacytoolsIO/priv

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@supernova @nikolal @marc0janssen You don't need to convince friends to care about . You only need to convince them that *you* care about privacy. If they're your friend, that will respect that.

@supernova @nikolal @marc0janssen You don't need to convince friends to care about . You only need to convince them that *you* care about privacy. If they're your friend, that will respect that.

@marc0janssen @nikolal @supernova it sounds like we're talking about not so good friends. If someone is too lazy to install Briar in order to talk to you, do they really care to talk to you? I wouldn't be so fast to call them a friend. You need to stand up for yourself. I don't have a Facebook account and my friends respect that. They know that Facebook is /their/ problem- a bad habit that needs to be kicked.

@greenfediverse @catgoat It also would not make sense to evaluate the serverfarm that a website connects to since most of the traffic is between & the visitors, not website-to-CF. The vistors can come from anywhere, so you'd have to work out the percentage of unclean serverfarms under CF's control. For it's 50%.

@marc0janssen @nikolal you should ditch both & . github.com/privacytoolsIO/priv Tell your friends if they really care to stay in touch with you, they would not impose a system that requires you to register a phone#.

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