@Br0m3x yikes. Sad to see that wealth will go to the Taliban.
@resist1984 who should benefit from it?
@Br0m3x a society that's not under an oppressive regime
@resist1984
They were under US occupation almost 20 years. I didn't notice that their puppet army or ordinary people tried to stop Talibs. It is weird, isn't it?
Currently there are a few countries which can be considered as non-oppresive.
@Br0m3x I don't think US “occupation” is an accurate term. If it were an occupation the governance would have come directly from the US gov., not democratically elected President Hamid Karzai, his administration, his democratically elected successors, & the democratically elected parliament. Taliban also had internal resistence as the US withdrew but they were weak in comparison.
@resist1984
If my knowledge about Afghanistan is right there is strong tribal system there. CIA did 'good' job as usual. They were surprised with communism collapse as well.
@Gayniggeranus @Br0m3x Who said the west had no influence? You seem to have misunderstood what I said.
@Br0m3x @Gayniggeranus the elected gov was dependant on the US for security, so of course the US had influence. But the US was not the government of afghanistan and therefore it's incorrect to call it an “occupation”.
Not calling it an occuptation because they installed a puppet leader is like not calling it rape because they wore a condom
@Gayniggeranus @Br0m3x Calling it an “occupation” is like calling it rape because you didn't like the sex that you consented to.
@resist1984
USA invaded Afghanistan.
@Br0m3x @Gayniggeranus that's true, but that does make it accurate to say there was a 20-year occupation. It was a 1 year occupation until the election was held.
@resist1984
Please:)))))
@Br0m3x @Gayniggeranus you might be more convincing if you could list specific US mandates/demands in the ~19 years that followed the election that were unrelated to security. Did the US collect tax from Afghans? Did they regulate healthcare, education, banking, environmental protections, etc? Did the US stand in the way of Karsai and his successors on governance without security relevance?
@Gayniggeranus @Br0m3x Or did the US do anything that notably breached their agreement with Karsai or his successors?
@resist1984 @Br0m3x @Gayniggeranus
Yeah, and the Vichy government was completely independent of the Nazi troops based in France to protect against allied invasion. The only directives issued by the German Government were to protect the security of the French people against rebel forces and foreign armies.
I think you missed the point. Karzai did everything the US wanted him to do, and then Obama threw his ass out in favor of his own puppet. The afghans wanted taliban 20 years ago, and they want taliban now.
@resist1984
You're definitely wrong.
@InceptionState @Br0m3x You sound like a Trump supporter. Claiming the election was stolen, as well as the election of Karzai's successors, because you don't like the result. This is really grasping at straws in attempt to further the nonsense that the US “occupied” Afghanistan for 20 years.
The 2009 election was widely regarded as highly questionable, and 2004 was arguably worse. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Afghan_presidential_election
It's absolutely delusional to claim that Afghanistan wasn't occupied. We invaded, wrecked their military, installed a puppet government, and then kept control through force (partially exerted through the ANA and partly through the threat of the US military coming back and stomping them). It's like claiming a hostage consented to being kidnapped because they made a video statement with words to that effect while a man off-screen pointed a gun at them.
@resist1984
I saw how bitterly Afghans fought to defend 'their' government. :D
Read, please: USA INVADED AFGHANISTAN. PERIOD
BTW
Who did invade Iraq, Libya, Syria? Trump?
Who did amplify torture and drone programs? Trump?
How many US war criminals are in US prisons?
Have you heard about that:
" The International Criminal Court abandoned a possible Afghanistan war-crimes (...) the United States and others in the conflict would not cooperate."
It's time to grow up
@Br0m3x @InceptionState We already agreed that the US invaded Afghanistan. Nothing else you've mentioned is relevant to your incorrect usage of the term “occupation”. You don't know what it means. Occupation is what you have in Israeli-occupied Palestine. The US is /assisting/ Israel, but the control over Palestine comes under the Israeli flag -- and that matters, as it does with Afghanistan.
@InceptionState @Br0m3x Your post shows you're extremely emotional, and the emotion has gotten the better of your judgement of facts.
@Br0m3x @InceptionState Obama is the best US president in recent history & Trump is clearly the worst. But Obama had flaws- one of which was ordering more drone strikes than any other president in history. Invasions are usually pushed by pre-Trump US republicans. But this is all irrelevant to the emotionally driven misuse of the term “occupation”.
@InceptionState @Br0m3x G W Bush gets credit for torture. In any case, notice that some hot-head used the term /occupation/ in Wikipedia, but it was corrected.
Seriouly @resist1984 ? Sadam Hussein was also "democratically elected". Bin Laden was also "democratically trained" to fight the evil commies. Grow the fuck up, of course the US war economy OCVUPIED its interests in Afghanistan for over a decade and of course this sudden retreat by the US and sudden uprising by the Taliban is dubious to say the least.
Let's see where in Europe will be the next terrorist attack.
@Br0m3x Is it weird that the Taliban was underestimated? Perhaps.