Protonmail is an independent email provider with no ads, instead using a traditional monthly subscription business model.
You can follow them at:
➡️ @protonmail
Their website is at https://protonmail.com
They also have Fedi accounts for their VPN service (@protonvpn) and Calendar service (@ProtonCalendar).
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@protonmail @ProtonCalendar @protonvpn @FediFollows I suggest avoiding #ProtonMail until they fix their #CAPTCHA problem. Protonmail is forcing people to solve an #hCAPTCHA. And worse, it's occasional, so users may only encounter the CAPTCHA after they've distributed their @protonmail address to others, at which point users are trapped.
@resist1984 @protonmail @ProtonCalendar @protonvpn
I've been using Protonmail for several years and have never seen a captcha. I have no memory of it happening even once.
I'm not denying it has happened to you, but it probably isn't as widespread as your wording implies?
I have a paid account, maybe this is something related to free accounts?
@FediFollows @protonvpn @ProtonCalendar @protonmail I've also not seen CAPTCHAs for yrs which is likely due to that fact that #Google charges a fee to use #reCAPTCHA. It was very recent (like less than a month) that #Protonmail switched to a CAPTCHA that /generates/ revenue for them (hCAPTCHA), so expect them to become more common. Certainly they've placed the CAPTCHA trigger in a position of high frequency (at login not on sending).
@resist1984 @protonvpn @ProtonCalendar @protonmail
Most of the comments in the github discussion (https://github.com/ProtonMail/WebClient/issues/242) are in favour of hcaptcha over recaptcha.
If there's a problem with hcaptcha and you have a better alternative they should use, please tell them about it in the git thread I have linked to.
Not a developer, but get the impression from quick read of the thread that there is a lack of viable alternatives.
@FediFollows @protonmail @ProtonCalendar @protonvpn That's not what I consider an open discussion platform.. that's exclusive for MS #Github users. Github is not a good venue for FOSS tools with a security/privacy mission. Solving an hCAPTCHA or reCAPTCHA prior to /reading/ email is unacceptible. There are lots of CAPTCHA alternatives, but as users we seek alternatives to bad tools. E.g. Tutanota does not impose CAPTCHA upon login.
@resist1984 @FediFollows Hi, thank you for sharing your thoughts. Please be aware that we switched from reCaptcha to hCaptcha as it is more privacy friendly. We had relied on reCaptcha since 2014 (it appeared on rare occasions, which is why few users noticed it) as it was the only captcha solution that was not broken at the time. We would love to read your suggestions for better captcha alternatives though, and we can share them internally for consideration.
@protonmail @FediFollows A good alternative is https://github.com/daniel-e/rust-captcha --but the bigger problem is when the #CAPTCHA is used. I'm still blocked by it. If my account has really been under attack for several days, why hasn't #Protonmail sent a notice to the notification email address on my account?
@FediFollows @protonmail It's very unlikely that my account would be under attack (the ppl who have my #Protonmail address are not adversarial in the slightest). I do not solve CAPTCHAs & I also will not pressure others to use a platform that pushes CAPTCHAs on them, so I have no choice but to discontinue #protonmail. I often insist that normies reach me via PM but that has become unsustainable.