@Mr_Teatime @zeh @jgoerzen You're mixing up different people. Grandma doesn't care about sigsec. To be good for grandma the tech must be: 1) easy to use 2) inclusive. Signal fails the grandma test b/c it's exclusive. #Signal also fails basic security concepts by needlessly dragging in whole systems of surveillance (so it excludes the poor + those who will not compromise security by using mobile phones nets)