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Does anyone know of an email provider in the free world that will accept the login creds of another ESP & fetch mail from the other account? Checked Danwin, Disroot, Cock.li, Tuta, Protonmail, Autistici, Riseup, mail2tor.. none of them seem to have it.

@resist1984 Is this for a one-off migration or something to be in continuous use? If the former, you could use a tool such as imapsync to do the transfer. For ongoing synchronisation, a forwarding rule seems like the better option.

@mansr
@resist1984

Posteo does initial migration and then email fetching. It's a free service in the sense of FOSS, but is funded through a 1 €/month fee rather than advertising or financial markets.

I synced my emails via Thunderbird instead of imapsync, which worked well.

@mansr has become Tor-hostile, so no way to grab mail over Tor from Yandex. Yandex has been flip-flopping on whether to allow Tor access, but it's starting to look permanent.

@resist1984
Hello. A redirection / forwarding tool seems the best.

@zack Forwarding requires logging into Yandex which now blocks Tor, in order to set it up. I could do that over a VPN, but other complexities come into play. I'd rather trust a free-world provider with yandex creds than trust yandex with an address & then also trust that a forwarding provider doesn't spam-block all the forwarded msgs /cc @mansr

@mansr @zack Hopefully it's just temporary until I kill off that relatively useless yandex acct.

@resist1984 @zack I'm not sure I understand your problem. Are you unable to access the internet without Tor?

@mansr @zack I am unwilling to connect to a mail server without Tor, particularly when the server is operated by a borderline tech giant. It would entail letting Yandex collect my history of locations. I could use a VPN for Yandex, but that's too much hassle.

@resist1984 @zack Can't you connect just once to transfer the stored data elsewhere? Use a throwaway SIM if you're really paranoid. Seriously, I'd be more concerned about letting a Russian company handle my email.

@mansr @zack A VPN is much easier than a throwaway sim. if i were a networking expert, I could keep a vpn running and set up iptables rules that routes all yandex traffic over the VPN. But ATM with my current skill level I either route all traffic over the vpn, or none.

@m_svo @resist1984

I was going to suggest imapsync..
I use it for migrations between email providers for people often.

Given that you want to use Tor too.. I wonder if it would work with torsocks ?

@m_svo @resist1984 I haven't used torsocks for a while.. but my recollection is you just prefix what you want to do with it..

so

`torsocks imapsync ... `

@kat @m_svo I don't see how IMAPsync would solve this. I wouldn't run IMAPsync without Tor, and if I run it over Tor then Yandex blocks it. Yandex is dropping Tor packets, thus causing timeouts. So imapsync would have to be run by another ESP not myself. I seem to have my issue solved.

@m_svo @kat BTW, it's not that I want my email shared between two ESPs. That's actually a bad thing, but it's a hack to circumvent a tor-hostile entity. I will say that there is a gap in free-world ESPs if Posteo is the only option. I try to get normies off services & this feature would be a useful compromise in some cases.

@resist1984 @kat
I'm not sure running imapsync.lamiral.info/X/ through Tor will cause Yandex to drop packets, as it would maybe get a request from the host in the web, not the client (your browser)?

@m_svo @kat ah, sorry I may have misunderstood how it works. I didn't realize imapsync.lamiral.info was a mitm. Normally an extra mitm is a bad idea, but perhaps useful in this case.

@resist1984 @kat
I'm not actually sure it's not javascript running in your browser that actually syncs the emails. I just assumed that hosts does it, so maybe it's worth a try.

@resist1984 @m_svo it was just an idea. You understand your usecase and threat model best!

@kat @m_svo indeed I'll have to be the judge of whether it meets the security needs. But whether it's even feasible is unclear. The CLI does not seem to have an option to select a mitm, which means either lamiral.info is hard-coded, or it means there is no mitm (that I directly connect to the imap servers).

@resist1984 @m_svo

It's software you run... that makes an imap connection to each email server using imap and can pull the email from one end to the other... Lamiral.info is just where you get the software from. It might even be packaged for your Linux distro already.

There is no javascript or anythin else involved. it's software you run on your computer.

@kat @m_svo It's clear that I have a choice between running installed software or using the website. You say no javascript needed, which implies that the web form must be sending that information to lamiral.info, which then must be acting as a service. In the absence of js, there would be no way to sync without the engine running on the website.

@resist1984 @m_svo I am sorry .. it was my mistake. I always just run the software on my computer. I didn't know that they website offered a service now. Apologies.

@m_svo @kat you might be righ about the software, but it's kind of up in the air whether the installable software talks to the IMAP servers, or it uses the web service through an API. Normally I would expect the software to not depend on the web service at lamiral.info, but when I see his prices i wonder if that prices in the cost of him maintaining a service.

@resist1984 @m_svo i don't believe it does. But you will have to convince yourself. It's Free software

@resist1984 So one that has imap built into the web client? Not sure, I just set my other accounts to all get forwarded to my ProtonMail account.

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