There is no point if your friends don't use it, try to convince close friends and then spread that circle slowly

@nikolal yes that’s the hard part. All are not worried or conscious about privacy at all.

@marc0janssen @nikolal you should ditch both & . github.com/privacytoolsIO/priv Tell your friends if they really care to stay in touch with you, they would not impose a system that requires you to register a phone#.

I think you need to set up first your threat model. Do you need your chats to be secure while you chat with your friends? Or do you need to have anonymity while chatting? I don't need anonymity but I like my chats to be secure with FOSS project so I'm using Signal which is proven to do that job very well. thehackernews.com/2016/10/sign
As for anonymous chat apps I suggest Briar, but again you have to scan each other QR codes for identity exchange

@nikolal @resist1984 thanks Nikolal. I need to start convincing people to use signal. I read that Facebook also bought gyphy. People need to see that Facebook is up to no good.

@marc0janssen @nikolal convincing ppl to use makes you part of the problem. You become the person that pushes people into a that excludes those who don't want to share their ph# & patronize all the privacy-abusing tech giants. See github.com/privacytoolsIO/priv


@nikolal @marc0janssen mass surveillance should be in your threat model, and promotes all the mass surveillance-pushing tech giants (, , , )

@marc0janssen @nikolal for iOS (and presumably low-tech users) you need Wire, which doesn't require a ph#.

@resist1984 @marc0janssen @nikolal you don't need to use matrix.org to use matrix. Self hosting is not so difficult and then you can easily bridge WhatsApp, messenger, telegram,... @yunohost gets you online pretty quickly with all the # fediverse goodies
@marc0janssen @nikolal @resist1984 yes doing it for more than a year now. @yunohost has an app for it but you still need to run an android VM somewhere. I run mine in a docker.

@jeroen @yunohost @nikolal @resist1984

Well this idea seems temping, but a bridge to whatsapp will still have my conversations on whatsapp. Then you sort of missed the whole point of walking away from whatsapp.

@marc0janssen @yunohost @nikolal @resist1984 not really. At least they don't now any more where I've been and fingerprint my phone.

@marc0janssen @nikolal no it doesn't. It's optional. If you don't supply a ph# then you must supply an email (which can be disposable)

@resist1984 @nikolal ok ok But I think you are must more anonymous aware they I am. I don’t need to reach the 100% ;-)

@marc0janssen @nikolal I don't need Snowden-level security either. My main objective is ethical consumption. Privacy is secondary. It's about boycotting corporate harm & wrongdoing. Signal feeds lots of bad players.

@nikolal @marc0janssen if your friends give any friction over using , , or , & you know they don't give a rat's ass about , ethics is easier to sell. E.g. helped Trump get elected.

@resist1984 @nikolal but I live in Europe. We don’t give a shit about trump and his administration.

@marc0janssen @nikolal first of all, you should care about what Trump is doing to the planet, what he did to Ukraine - his destruction is not confined to the US. And that was just an example.

@resist1984 @nikolal yep. We are not in the election proces. We can only tell our governments to take action. But since we are in a pact with the USA for decades.......

@marc0janssen @nikolal just b/c you can't vote doesn't mean you don't have any influence on US elections. Do you own any Sony or Motorola products? Do you ever buy Marlboro cigs, Goose Island IPA, or ship FedEx? These corps finance the republican party in the US.

@nikolal @marc0janssen Amazon is causing immeasurable harm to the environment, and you can't tell me Amazon isn't affecting Europe. Amazon hired neo nazis in Germany to intimidate immgrant workers. Signal and Wire use Amazon for hosting.

@resist1984 @nikolal oh man.... I better stop using the internet now. I am not sure if anything is safe too use now. The lady in the shop here to sell me my books cause have an grandfather that might accidentally looked at a nazi in WWII.

@nikolal @marc0janssen also partnered with BP and Shell to use machine learning to dig for fossil fuel. This is not strictly US harm.

@resist1984 @nikolal all may lead to bad thing. Are you willing to back to a cave and a spear?

@nikolal @marc0janssen if you study what these companies do, their impact on the world is nowhere near equal.

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@resist1984 @nikolal I am saying that is whole world is corrupt. And in the end you will always find evil or evil along its path. So you bettter start preparing for your cave.

@marc0janssen @nikolal is in effect, you're saying there is no variation in evil.. that it's just as wrong to support a company that uses disposable plates in their kitchen as a company that pollutes and digs for fossil fuels

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@marc0janssen @nikolal i'm not sure why you seem to be sympathetic to neo-nazis, but there's plenty of *global* wrongdoing at the hands of Amazon, Google, and CloudFlare. If you don't give a shit, then ethics is obviously a moot point for you.

@resist1984 @nikolal I am NOT!! I just try to tell that all is not in your hands. And eventually all can have a relation with evil do-ers !

@resist1984 @nikolal Werner van Braun always flown to the US to help you guys build rockets. What space technology are you using. You have a microwave, love? Are you now not using microwaves anymore because of Werner von Braun?

@marc0janssen @nikolal @techit Perhaps in the 1940s you could call opposition to racism "extremism", but in 2020 it's mainstream to oppose racist ideologies. It's mainstream to accept the science on climate change. It's climate denial and white nationalism that require propaganda.

@resist1984 @nikolal @techit but weird to look in every corner with your conspiracy eyes and call every thing neo-nazi if so where in a far distance something is amiss. You’re weird.

@resist1984 @techit @nikolal that’s good. I dislike trump. But it seems you are a great fan because you see conspiracy everywhere.

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@marc0janssen @nikolal

Even though wire is #foss and one doesn't need ph# and can use disposable #email with #wire. wire target market is #enterprise, 🤑not the consumer market🤢, although they have free consumer app. wire is more for #security rather than #anonymity as their #metadata is saved on wire servers in #cleartext. It can also be self-hosted.

So wire is good for security, but not to be #anonymous😎 (sort of if disposable email used)

Just my two cents input.

peace out👌👍😎

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