#TwitterExodusScotland? What's going on?
@Gargron We are sick of being censored /jailed/ suspended on twitter - too much of a coincidence that it happens to so many Scottish Independence supporters especially as its looking as if we’re finally on our way! So here we are. Thanks for having us! 🏴
@kensanata @Twentyfivebux @Gargron there was like a flood of Indians joining #Mastodon a couple weeks ago due to some oppression. It's a shame this only happens when #Twitter does a large scale oppression. BTW, you've chosen yet another #centralized service using repressive technology. mastodon.social is a #CloudFlare site. You should switch to a #decentralized node before building followers.
@Twentyfivebux @resist1984 @kensanata @Gargron @AndrewWatson This is not centrally moderated. It's open source and hosted by users. There are moderators, but that's as close to Twitter as it gets. Calm down.
@Jeggit @Twentyfivebux @resist1984 @kensanata @Gargron
It's more around the technology than the moderation. No need to panic, just something to consider down the road.
@kensanata @Gargron @Twentyfivebux I suppose I should also say how to avoid #CloudFlare #Mastodon nodes. Run this command to find CloudFlare-free Mastodon nodes: comm -13 <(torsocks curl https://codeberg.org/crimeflare/cloudflare-tor/raw/branch/master/tool/example.mdn_basedom_list.txt | sort) <(torsocks lynx -dump -nolist https://instances.social/list/old | awk '/%/{print $3}' | sort)
@Twentyfivebux @Gargron @kensanata hmm.. it's a little flawed b/c some #pleroma nodes end up in the output, but it's a good start.
@resist1984 @Gargron @kensanata no idea what you’re banging on about but you can be my first block :)
@Twentyfivebux In case you're curious, @resist1984 was trying to explain that, since all of the instances on the list they provided are using Cloudflare, people on those instances are (in theory) able to be silenced by Cloudflare.
They went into technical details very quickly, and it got hard to follow, but they probably don't mean any harm by it (to the extent that it's possible to predict the intentions of another, anyway).
"Mute", not "block", is probably more appropriate, but IUTY really.
@wizzwizz4
#CloudFlare blocks from the reader's side, not the author. If Alice blogs on a CF site then Bob is blocked from reading it if CF objects to Bob's IP address-browser pair. And that's not theoretical -- it's certain.
CF dictates who can reach who. CF also pushes #surveillanceCapitalism via a forced #Google-served #CAPTCHA (depending on IP-browser pair). Using a CF service gives them power. @Twentyfivebux unwittingly supports #centralization & empowers CF by using mastodon.social.
Yeah, but I unwittingly support centralisation and empower CloudFlare by using Fosstodon, too. So, by whataboutism, thisisfine. 😛
Thanks for the point about it being the reader's side – I was thinking of the HTTPSification of HTTP sites, but most instances will be using Let's Encrypt before it's proxied through Cloudflare. masto.host's CDN (cf.mastohost.com) is Cloudflare, though, so they could still withhold images / videos for instances hosted there.
@wizzwizz4
fosstodon.org is not on #CloudFlare
Also, it was "unwitting" for Twentyfivebux - not you hereafter if you've become aware of how CF works.
BTW, it doesn't matter who your CA is, the tunnel between outsiders & CF's site always terminates at CF. So, for example, if you were a mastodon.social user, CF would see your username & unhashed pw full stop.
@resist1984 Huh. I thought it was – it's on that list. Do more sites use cf.mastohost.com than just masto.host sites, then?
@wizzwizz4
Use this to test whether a site is compromised by #cloudflare:
http://searxes.nmqnkngye4ct7bgss4bmv5ca3wpa55yugvxen5kz2bbq67lwy6ps54yd.onion/collab/sxes/tool_ismitm.php
I don''t know what cf.mastohost.com is or what list you're talking about.
@resist1984 When you click on an image, it will serve you something from cf.mastohost.com.
I checked your tool, and it's not coming up as CDN'd or MITM'd, so why is it on your list? Or is the list of okay sites?
@wizzwizz4
You've still not mentioned which list you're talking about. If you're talking about the bash code I posted, one list is populated with all nodes in the network, the other list is just CloudFlared sites. The command I posted suppresses the intersection of both lists, resulting in non-CloudFlared sites.
@resist1984 I meant https://codeberg.org/crimeflare/cloudflare-tor/raw/branch/master/tool/example.mdn_basedom_list.txt. fosstodon.org appears on it.
@wizzwizz4
That's a mistake. It's likely that fosstodon.org was on #CloudFlare at one point in time - but they are no longer. I also checked to see if fosstodon was hosted by another harmful entity (AWS, MS, Google, or Apple), and the site is clean. I see no ethical problem with it ATM.
@resist1984 @kensanata @Gargron what the fuck are you on about??