@lioh@fosstodon.org
You misunderstood. I was not complaining about the price; @burek@linuxrocks.online was.

My point is that ppl cannot expect ethical products to compete with unethical ones on price alone. This is b/c unethical makers usually have a cost advantage due to their unscrupulous ways.

I'm quite fine with paying double if it avoids feeding a company that should be boycotted.

@lioh@fosstodon.org
I must say though, when I look at the specs there's brief mention of preinstalled , but no statement on whether it is 100% .

Ppl in the market for ethical hardware generally expect to avoid . Part of being ethical is also being transparent. So if the laptop ships with any binary blobs (incl. the BIOS) then you should warn users exactly what is non-free.

@lioh@fosstodon.org
Ubuntu is an /okay/ choice, but it's not ideal because has PPAs and (AFAIK) has no rules to thwart .

I suggest making the factory OS. Debian has a mandate & a higher quality standard. Users know that Ubuntu can be installed on anything that can handle debian, but the reverse is not true.

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There is mention of microsoft github to obtain the docs & CAD files. That's ethically dubious b/c:

1. Github just renewed a $200k contract with (so buyers are feeding -based policy)
2. Microsoft finances AnyVision, who uses as a weapon against the ppl of .

So ethical supply chains .

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