@TheGnuMaster @privacytools I wouldn't touch Brave at all. https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/brave.html. If you want a Chromium-based browser, Ungoogled Chromium is better (although I will still recommend Firefox).

@moongaia @privacytools I have used Firefox and TorBrowser for many years.
I was asking about a replacement for chrome for those pesky sites that are slow on firefox and sites that are not 100% compatible.
Thank you for your input.

@captainduckman @privacytools I have used Firefox and TorBrowser for many years.
I was asking about a replacement for chrome for those pesky sites that are slow on firefox and sites that are not 100% compatible.
Thank you for your input.

@captainduckman @privacytools OK, I got rid of Brave.

@thegnumaster @privacytools I use brave but I hear really privacy-concerned folks prefer firefox if not one of its spin-offs (e.g. "waterfox")

Tor is super secure, but slower than hell and has some drawbacks (e.g. certain sites block tor nodes)

@smithy @privacytools I have used Firefox and TorBrowser for many years.
I was asking about a replacement for chrome for those pesky sites that are slow on firefox and sites that are not 100% compatible.

Thank you for your input.

@smithy @TheGnuMaster @privacytools The speed argument used to be a real pain for Tor usage, but nowadays I can get a couple MB per second downloading stuff over Tor. It's honestly not as slow as many people still claim it is.

@tyil @privacytools @smithy Tor is really fast nowadays. Capable of streaming 4K or 1080p at the very least.
(I know that is not always the case).
I wish there would be more Internet Service Providers who would be brave and support Tor Exit Relays.

@TheGnuMaster @privacytools @smithy Too bad this always ends with ignorant people portraying them as supporters of terrorism and pedophilia.

@tyil @privacytools @smithy That is unfortunate. Everyone must still keep fighting.
Watching the things happening in #HongKong should make everyone realise how important Freedom is worth fighting for.
Look at the Hong Kong Youth, knowing they could be jailed for 10 years for so called "rioting", knowing that the PRC millitary could invade with/without the request of the HK government and slaughter them all.
That is why we shouldn't give up on basic rights just as Privacy, Freedom of Speech etc. because it is what matters the most.

@ginsterbusch @privacytools

Washington Post:
> Prompts you to buy or view free
> If in privacy mode, they put an annoying overlay and stop loading page content

This post:
> Talks about privacy
> Links to a site that is invasive

@ginsterbusch @privacytools Which derivative(s) do you use?

@siina @privacytools pale moon, mostly.

@ginsterbusch @privacytools

What firefox alternatives? I've heard folks advocate "waterfox" but know nothing of it

@smithy @privacytools pale moon works pretty decent so far.

@ginsterbusch @privacytools Haven't heard of pale moon - what's it offer?

@smithy @privacytools palemoon.org
fork of firefox with XUL

@smithy @ginsterbusch @privacytools

There are lots of browsers, many of which are Mozilla branches. Pale Moon, for instance. Others include:
Basilisk
K-Meleon for Windows
Comodo IceDragon
Iceweasel
GNU IceCat
Tor Browser
Classilla
SeaMonkey

@Limax @smithy @privacytools quite a few of them are not xul-based though, and thus lack the flexibility of the "old" extension framework

@ginsterbusch @smithy @privacytools

The only one from that list that I use is the Tor browser. Some neat alternative browser are Qutebrowser (Vim-based controls) and Falkon (which is a minimalist browser with built in ad-blocking).

@Limax @smithy @privacytools I am full into Pale Moon. Also got a Seamonkey based fork which in turn tries to be an alternative take on Thunderbird.

@awg @privacytools i think obama just got elected

@nerthos @privacytools god so it's not just me? Firefox being borderline unusable

@captainduckman @nerthos @privacytools ahhhhim not alone

@didnt1able @privacytools I dropped it many years ago, when they left 3.5 to basically copy chrome's UI while being slower
My brother stuck to it until they switched to quantum, couldn't take it anymore, and moved to palemoon.

@nerthos @privacytools palemoon?

@didnt1able @privacytools Pre-disaster mozilla fork https://www.palemoon.org/

@didnt1able nah, it's not just you. FF is horrible currently. Got rid of that thing for exactly that reason.

@nerthos @privacytools

@gaia @privacytools Any closed-source browser is an immediate no-go from a privacy or a security perspective.

@tyil @privacytools

For all practical purposes the Vivaldi source code is available for audit. It is Chromium + HTML/CSS/JS: https://help.vivaldi.com/article/is-vivaldi-open-source/

PS: I am not affiliate with Vivaldi in any capacity.

@gaia @privacytools Well, that's what you probably hope for. The downside of being closed source is that you can't really verify if they're telling the truth. If it were truly just the things they say on that site, why can't I just download a tarball of their sources and run make to get the desired result, and see for myself how true their statements are?

I remain with my position, that any project that isn't open source cannot be taken seriously in a privacy (or security) minded context.

@tyil @privacytools

I hear ya. Trust, but you can't verify...

@opal @privacytools hi! 🙂

BTW what browser do you recommend?

@Wetrix @privacytools one that doesnt exist yet. i dislike modern browsers and the modern web

@opal @privacytools do you use other things like free net?

@Wetrix @privacytools no, but i am just trying to wean myself off using the web as much. i've used native xmpp and email clients for years, i still talk on irc, i try to make use of mailing lists and newsgroups (going as far as importing mailing lists for software i use into my mail client, so i can easily search for stuff). i use mpv + youtube-dl for watching videos e.g. off youtube and twitch. im aiming to write a desktop fediverse client as well, so i can save quite a bit of memory usage from my open fedi tabs

currently i just use firefox ESR only because at least it lets me disable stuff, even though i'd rather it all be opt-in by default rather than opt-out. i couple it with umatrix to block scripts and third-party assets from a majority of websites

@opal @privacytools that's pretty cool I admire that.

So what made you dislike the internet so much to goto all these lengths?

@Wetrix @privacytools dont conflate "internet" with "web", theyre completely different

people are using web browsers as virtual machines nowadays, when they're ill-suited to do so. the html dom isnt suitable for app development; javascript was never meant to be a full-blown language like it is today

@opal @privacytools oh OK. So you don't like the tools that access the net?

@fluffy @opal @privacytools since getting a smartphone I use the net alot more to 😁

Reddit lol