Rysiekúr (old account)  

One last thing about #Keybase and I promise I'll shut up... for now.

This is going to be an interesting test of how useful being FLOSS without being decentralized actually is.

A lot of people will now leave Keybase. Will they find ways to re-use their code to set-up a better service? Or is their code so tightly bound to their centralized service that it's effectively useless?

In other words, is being #FLOSS at all meaningful without being decentralized?

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Nikola Lakić :arch:  

@rysiek
Imo yes, look at Signal. I will put trust to service with centralized servers if everything is open source in their code. In that case they are providing you their service and ease of not setting and maintaining things yourself, because not everyone has technical skills to do it. Centralised services are not evil if every bit of their code is open to the public.

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Loziniak  
@nikolal @rysiek What proof do we have that Signal actually runs the code from repos on their servers?
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Nikola Lakić :arch:
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@loziniak
For what other service can you say that they run code they represent to you? They can tweak it on their servers however they want to do something you can't see when using it. No service can guarantee you that, Signal included
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Loziniak  
@nikolal @rysiek Self-hosting can do that, as well as peer-to-peer.
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Rysiekúr (old account)  

@loziniak @nikolal plus, public reproducible builds.

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Nikola Lakić :arch:  

@loziniak
Not everyone wants/know how to self host, and I think they don't need to. End user doesn't need to know anything about how its done behind the courtain
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Rysiekúr (old account)  

@nikolal @loziniak but that's a false dichotomy: you don't need to self-host as long as the software *is* self-hostable and usable across instances. that way the user doesn't need to self-host, but the fact that some people do means that it's harder for the original project to do crazy bad stuff.

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