Food for thought : do you guys believe in destiny?

Personally I do not. I'm a believer in the chaos theory, it makes much more sense to me.

Also if destiny were true I find it hard to justify all the senseless suffering, violence and other horrors people and animals are put through.

If that's what a divinity destined them for I see no divinity in that. 🤔🐶

@Wetrix so chaos is deterministic but appears random if all starting conditions are not known. Essentially there is destiny but nobody can possibly know how things will go so it might as well be random, practically speaking.

@mistermonster so is that a point or you just covering all the bases so your not wrong? 🤣

@Wetrix lol the point is that chaos means difficult to predict determinism, which means destiny. Truly impossible to predict chaos isn't chaos at all, but randomness. True randomness is impossible in the universe, therefore destiny exists.
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There is true randomness in nature, for example you don't know when will photon launch in light emmission, another example is decay of radioactive elements, they also launch their atoms at random. You can argue that those events are insignificant to us as humans, and if you know all events in the world at the current time you could predict future for some time, we can agree on that
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@nikolal @Wetrix well, it is not known if photon launch or beta decay are random or chaotic, they could very well be chaotic but appear random because we don't fully understand what happens to cause them. But a lot of quantum interactions appear to be random and it it still not yet known if they are deterministic and chaotic or random.

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You could always say that we don't know enough to see some patern and predict some future event (and that is very much true) but could you say that if humanity can't find the way to predict some event at all that that event is random, at least so far? Atleast for me it is
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@nikolal
"Random" has a distinct meaning. So far there is no definitive evidence that anything is random, and everything we do understand that appears random can be shown to be deterministic and chaotic. At the quantum level, events appear to be probabilistic rather than deterministic, which still is not random, as you can still predict the likelihood that something will happen, just not exactly whether it will or won't.
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