Because someone asked:

Yes, matter of fact I do want to completely abolish gender as a concept, and get rid of terms of gendered attraction

Because they are entirely obsoleted artifacts from a time when we considered gender to be much more strictly binary, and these terms made sense. They no longer do.

So, I would much prefer we create new frameworks and terms to describe personal expression, and sexual and/or romantic attractions.

The entire concept of "masculine" and "feminine" gets tossed out, and instead we should focus on attributes that are entirely independent of one's physiological build, which is essentially what we're already doing by adding all these new "edge cases" to our legacy model.

femininity and masculinity are individually perceived concepts. We may be told by others what they think it means, but that doesn't mean we have to agree with them, or that it's the one truth.

It's simply a vague set of ways you show yourself to others.

they are not intrinsic to anything, certainly not some fixed set of body types or behaviors.

Therefore terms like "lesbian" don't really mean anything at all.

So we can either get rid of them, and make new ones, or, shut the fuck up about them.

Because just because you don't perceive someone to match your idea of what lesbian means, doesn't mean they don't.

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@luna
So words don't have meaning because anyone can percieve them as they like?

@luna
I disagree with that, language is there to provide something productive imo, if words have no meaning how do speak to anybody?

@nikolal words communicate concepts, which have no meaning in and of themselves

the meaning comes from how we perceive or interpret these concepts

If I say, talk to a person on the street about microbiology, chances are they have no clue what the fuck I'm talking about

Without me also communicating my perception of the concepts, my words are utterly meaningless

@nikolal Another example you might consider is machine translation

A computer has no clue what a "ball" is, or what "hello" means.

All it sees is a piece of data, and that it maps to another piece of data somewhere.

That's why machine translation between two vastly different languages is often messy.

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@luna
We are not machines, we are far more complicated than that. Subjectively words don't have to have meaning, objectively thats not the productive way to be in society

@nikolal well if your only concern is the productivity of society at large you're honestly talking to the wrong person

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