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Interesting fact is that I convinced more people to switch to some Linux distro than to switch their instant messaging app.

@nikolal I think phone manufactures need to install libre messaging apps by default. That would do wonders for adoption. Its not a foreign idea. The new Blackberry's ship with Firefox focus instead of chrome.

@c1t1z3n0n3
Android will never do that since its owned by Google and Google has Google chrome. Blackberry doesn't use android and they don't need to preinstall chrome, thats why they dont use it

@nikolal @c1t1z3n0n3 LineageOS comes with no Google apps & no Play Store by default

@kravietz
Yeah I just end up going with f-droid and disabling most of the gapps. Then using a monitor to make sure they are not running. I wish I found out that e.foundation was selling phones before I bought my newest unlocked phone.
@nikolal

@c1t1z3n0n3 @nikolal I had /e/ on my Nexus 5 but then upgraded to Pixel and /e/ ROM didn't flash so installed LineageOS for MicroG, works like a charm, zero Google apps. But will switch to /e/ when it works

@nikolal

BlackBerry does use android now that's why I brought it up lol.

@nikolal
When I noticed on the newest contractor's version I thought of it as a chip on Googles armor.

@nikolal Ain't that the truth.

I tried for years to get people i know to use XMPP and all sorts of other ones. I finally got some of them to use Matrix, but now i am backed into a corner because unless Matrix and Vector clean up their security I am going to want to ditch it and i doubt i will have any luck getting all those people to switch again.

People act like communication tools are mutually exclusive.

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