@marc0janssen
There is no point if your friends don't use it, try to convince close friends and then spread that circle slowly
@nikolal yes that’s the hard part. All are not worried or conscious about privacy at all.
@marc0janssen @nikolal you should ditch both #WhatsApp & #signal. https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/779 Tell your friends if they really care to stay in touch with you, they would not impose a system that requires you to register a phone#.
@resist1984 @nikolal what do you use then? Riot?
@marc0janssen
I think you need to set up first your threat model. Do you need your chats to be secure while you chat with your friends? Or do you need to have anonymity while chatting? I don't need anonymity but I like my chats to be secure with FOSS project so I'm using Signal which is proven to do that job very well. https://thehackernews.com/2016/10/signal-messenger-fbi-subpoena.html?m=1
As for anonymous chat apps I suggest Briar, but again you have to scan each other QR codes for identity exchange
@resist1984
@nikolal @resist1984 thanks Nikolal. I need to start convincing people to use signal. I read that Facebook also bought gyphy. People need to see that Facebook is up to no good.
@marc0janssen @nikolal convincing ppl to use #Signal makes you part of the problem. You become the person that pushes people into a #walledgarden that excludes those who don't want to share their ph# & patronize all the privacy-abusing tech giants. See https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/779
@nikolal @marc0janssen mass surveillance should be in your threat model, and #Signal promotes all the mass surveillance-pushing tech giants (#Amazon, #Google, #CloudFlare, #Facebook)
@resist1984 @nikolal nice you push briar but can you get me a iOS client please.
@marc0janssen @nikolal for iOS (and presumably low-tech users) you need Wire, which doesn't require a ph#.
@resist1984 Wire needs a phone# too babe. @nikolal
@marc0janssen @nikolal no it doesn't. It's optional. If you don't supply a ph# then you must supply an email (which can be disposable)
@resist1984 @nikolal ok ok But I think you are must more anonymous aware they I am. I don’t need to reach the 100% ;-)
@marc0janssen @nikolal I don't need Snowden-level security either. My main objective is ethical consumption. Privacy is secondary. It's about boycotting corporate harm & wrongdoing. Signal feeds lots of bad players.
@resist1984 @nikolal but I live in Europe. We don’t give a shit about trump and his administration.
@marc0janssen @nikolal first of all, you should care about what Trump is doing to the planet, what he did to Ukraine - his destruction is not confined to the US. And that was just an example.
@nikolal @marc0janssen Amazon is causing immeasurable harm to the environment, and you can't tell me Amazon isn't affecting Europe. Amazon hired neo nazis in Germany to intimidate immgrant workers. Signal and Wire use Amazon for hosting.
@resist1984 @nikolal oh man.... I better stop using the internet now. I am not sure if anything is safe too use now. The lady in the shop here to sell me my books cause have an grandfather that might accidentally looked at a nazi in WWII.
@nikolal @marc0janssen #amazon also partnered with BP and Shell to use machine learning to dig for fossil fuel. This is not strictly US harm.
@resist1984 @nikolal I guess this started with a simple question about a chat-app
@marc0janssen @nikolal that "chat app" feeds corporations who do bad things.
@resist1984 @nikolal all may lead to bad thing. Are you willing to back to a cave and a spear?
@marc0janssen @nikolal are you saying all suppliers are /equally/ evil?
@resist1984 @nikolal I am saying that is whole world is corrupt. And in the end you will always find evil or evil along its path. So you bettter start preparing for your cave.
@marc0janssen @nikolal is in effect, you're saying there is no variation in evil.. that it's just as wrong to support a company that uses disposable plates in their kitchen as a company that pollutes and digs for fossil fuels
@resist1984 @nikolal no. I take my responsibility with the environment. But I am not that passionate about it as you.
@marc0janssen @nikolal if you're willing to patronize Amazon, then you're not really being environmentally responsible.