kravietz 🦇 @kravietz@social.privacytools.io

@jcbrand Funny because nobody was even mentioning Semmelweis for many years until the whole COVID-19 alt-med started recently.

@jcbrand

Semmelweiss was ignored in early 19th century when Marxism was considered "scientific". Scientific methods have changed significantly since then. The frauds who now mention Semmelweiss on their YouTube debates are usually the same people who 10 years ago supported Andrew Wakefield in his anti-MMR vaccine campaign, that later came out to be a scientific fraud driven by lawsuit companies money.

@jcbrand

Sorry but you're drastically misrepresenting the article. It's like saying "people pay for driving license exams so testing centres are funded by driver candidates so it's massive scam". It's not, they pay specifically for an independent and mandatory assessment of their drugs. Even your source says that explicitly:

@jcbrand

Penicillin is also generic and available for pennies (pun intended), but it doesn't help against COVID-19.

This is exactly the point where you are being screwed by the sellers - you are buying a drug that doesn't have confirmed effect on the disease you're clearly concerned about.

@jcbrand

So even if you assume for the sake of argument that Astra Zeneca & friends are 100% corrupt and profit-driven, there's literally hundreds of health, science and policy professionals between you and them, and there's media. No real conspiracy would survive this for long.

In case of ivermectin you got exactly the opposite - 100% direct sales channel between some fishy traders and uneducated buyers, driven by a few health professionals going right against the scientific consensus.

@jcbrand

> the exact same logic can be applied to vaccine manufacturers

It's absolutely not the same, not even comparable. Vaccine manufacturers take orders from health authorities, with solid scientific base, full quality *and* efficiency assessment, reporting of side effects and periodic re-assessment.

In case of ivermectin you've got random members of the public buying some pills from some websites because they've read some stories on Facebook, no different from "buy viagra online" spam.

White Helmets rescue organisation in Syria 🇸🇾 was a target of numerous disinformation campaigns, accused of fraud and misuse of funds. Forensic audit by Grant Thornton cleared them of all accusations and highlighted "high integrity" and transparency they managed to preserve even in war-time conditions.

https://www.groene.nl/artikel/we-were-their-only-hope

Bob Enyart, a conservative Christian radio host and pastor of Denver Bible Church, who mocked AIDS victims and spread COVID lies, has died of COVID. He was a co-host on a anti-vaxx propaganda station called... "Real Science Radio".

https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2021/09/13/bob-enyart-who-mocked-aids-victims-and-spread-covid-lies-has-died-of-covid/ #covid

@jcbrand

Vaccines save lives with 1/1'000'000 serious side effects and in most countries are distributed for free.

Snake oil "remedies" do *not* provide any protection, have unknown side effects and people pay highly inflated price out of their pocket.

Guess who's screwing you more.

@guenther

When I kept horses in 2000's I was using ivermectin periodically so I fully sympathize. Funny thing, I was using Bayer's pour-on ivermectin (a rather large bottle) which was not certified for use with horses (at least back then), but that was due to retention times in body (that did matter only for horses bred for meat).

I think the whole #ivermectin is primarily about business - cleverly stimulated demand, based on "counter-cultural" mythology, just as with #homeopathy, and other alt-med like all kind of "miracle" cancer drugs. Just look at these prices - and dozens of shops can be found online:

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