kravietz 🦇 @kravietz@social.privacytools.io

@dump_stack

The causal link here is pretty clear as well - initially, in 2000's, people could believe that the media centralised by Putin need to lie about a very specific topic (e.g. Chechnya) because there's some higher goal (end war) and it didn't impact them directly.

Today, after 20 years, the state media had at least once lied about almost every single social group in the country, from Caucasians to truck drivers and doctors.

So it impacted nearly everyone, and there's no higher goal.

@dump_stack

> trust in the media is not equal to the quality

I don't think you need any complex theories to see that 1) Russian state media lies on every occasion, 2) most people don't trust it.

@dump_stack

> you are not affected

You keep saying this but without any supporting evidence this is just like "the iron laws of dialectics" in Marxism - a very general statements that are nothing but common sense truisms that cannot be either falsified or proven.

You can just as well argue that propaganda affects you even if you don't listen to it. So what?

@dump_stack On the other hand, people exposed to such an aggressive propaganda seem to become insensitive to it after some time - as I said, my hosts are simply not paying attention to what they listen to.

And, more importantly, they don't trust it at all - which is both what I see among my friends, and what is also seen in polls - public media trust rating fell from ~80% in 90's to like 20% today.

The more they scream about something, the less people believe, it seems.

@dump_stack

> disconnected too much with realities in Russia

The realities in Russia are that when I visit friends and relatives, many of them have Rossiya 1 switched on in kitchen on 24/7 basis and you literally cannot not listen to it 😂 At these moments I understand what you mean when you say "propaganda changes your brain" as it's especially aggressive - presenters are constantly screaming and everything is turned into highest emotions.

@dump_stack

Sorry but I disagree. All politicians go for PR, but I don't think any modern politician can be compared to Putin in terms of his omnipresence and aspirational machoism, both of which quickly turn into ridiculousness when icons with Putin or his portraits appear among other saints in an Orthodox church.

@epic It's widely available in English commentaries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin's_Testament

18 February 1929 Russian writer and poet Varlam Shalamov was arrested accused of violating article 58 item 10 of Criminal Code of the RSFSR ("anti-Soviet agitation") for illegally printing... Lenin's letters from 1922.

The reason, in spite of the fact that Lenin was still one of the official Soviet saints, was that the letters were highly critical of Stalin. In 30's the letter was declared a "fake" and its possession was a crime, only decriminalised and again declared genuine in 1956.

Did you realise that the infamous "Carlos the Jackal" KGB-sponsored terrorist is still well & alive, serving a life term in French prison?

https://web.archive.org/web/20170721043253/http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/rescued-from-the-shredder-carlos-the-jackals-missing-years-2120492.html

@Wetrix

Isn't that called nirvana in Buddhism? 😄

@iron_bug

This one is indeed in Russian, check Medusa.io and The Moscow Times for English articles

@dump_stack

Stalin didn't push his way alone, just as Putin. Both had a strong backing in the party leadership reinforced by elimination of those who had doubts. At the same time, the cult of personality in both cases is reinforced by the propaganda, I think simply because it works — that is, there's demand for it among significant fraction of society I'm sure Putin wouldn't bother with his ridiculous "naked on a horse photos" if he wasn't sure it will be liked by some.

@dump_stack

> Russians like to praise a good leader

Stereotypes OMG 😵😂

@dump_stack But you're right that I should be probably more precise and say "there's a strong fraction of people with tendency towards cult of personality" rather than generalize.