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@mlg @epic @lain @cjd @mithrandir

People oppose things for various reasons. People who are misled or just concerned due to lack of information deserve respect and education.

On the other hand, activists who actively mislead the public and distorting, inflating or inventing falsehoods, like Greenpeace or these "lithium-ion nuclear explosion" idiots are doing, are harmful and deserve nothing but contempt.

Their disinformation leads to choices that are by far worse off and more harmful.

@mlg @epic @lain @cjd @mithrandir

> all nuclear critics

Absolutely not all nuclear critics are nuts, many are simply misled.

I personally was anti-nuclear and very close to Greenpeace when I lived in Poland and almost went to protest against Temelin nuclear power plant in 90's (free bus & booze!).

I however studied chemical engineering and when I started to dissect the arguments they presented I not only failed to find the data behind it, I found exactly the opposite.

@mlg LOL haven't noticed it but it's a really good catch πŸ˜‚

@mlg @epic @lain @cjd @mithrandir

The screenshot is taken from a *massive* report by the commission from 2016. They have researched and tested probably every single hypothesis raised by the public back then, and the only problem with this publication is that no gutter press reported about it because there is no sensationalist & scandalous stuff there to be sold.

assets.publishing.service.gov.

@mlg @epic @lain @cjd @mithrandir

> so many cases where statistics show EG certain forms of cancer rising in nearby residents

This is a well known story of leukemia clustering near nuclear power plants in UK.

These clusters were a fact.

What was missed by the media hype was that they were also a fact around any other industrial facility in the country and caused by infections caused by migration of workers.

gov.uk/government/groups/commi

@WhiteTemplar @ScumbagDog

Recommended reading:

"Sapiens" by Yuval Harari
"The Gene"by Siddartha Mukherje

...assuming your religion even allows you to read a book by a Jew and Indian-American.

@epic @lain @cjd @mithrandir

Almost none of the articles linked in this discussion comes even close to nuclear industry. These are mostly peer-reviewed scientific publications including bodies such as IPCC.

@WhiteTemplar @ScumbagDog

Sorry, you are fixating on one statistical indicator while not understanding the very concept behind genetics and sexual reproduction.

Species don't have a fixed boundaries either. From your example, you got a mix of coyote and wolf ("coywolf") happily spreading across US.

Home sapiens, Homo neanderthalensis, homo neanderthalensis and Denisovans are considered distinct species but they mixed as well.

@epic @lain @cjd @mithrandir

> I am the public you don’t care about

I care about you enough to continue explaining and providing you with scientific evidence for three days, but when at the end all you can say is "IT'S ALL BIG ,PHARMA BITCHES" then it clearly means you don't care about anything I've said.

@epic @lain @cjd @mithrandir

You are making far fetching and rather silly assumptions about what I think or don't think.

What I'm demonstrating is a perfect example of absurd anti-scientific FUD being now used against a PV farm in UK.

This Kent farm is especially funny case, because Foe and Greenpeace were split - one was for, one was against because PV panels require removal of vast amounts of trees and shrubs there.

@epic @lain @cjd @mithrandir

> truth look like a raving lunatic

Absolutely agree. In case of nuclear power and GMO the trolls are called Friend of Earth and Greenpeace, organisations employing known scientific frauds (Seralini), very much like anti-vaxxers employed Wakefield.

This is precisely why it's our duty not to follow the popular sentiments but verify the truth at scientific sources, and scientific consensus on both topics is quite clear.

@epic @lain @cjd @mithrandir

> They’re still checking and finding cancers in the people exposed to radiation from Fukushima

I don't know who are "they" but UN has just found exactly opposite 10 years of studies:

theguardian.com/environment/20

@mlg

> France's fuel rods have a lot of embodied energy

That's why we calculate greenhouse gas emissions in lifecycle

@mlg

> surface area a limiting factor

Land surface is reusable but non-renewable resource just as any other. And "reuse" means you need to change the way the land was used so far, for example remove forest to build wind towers or trees and shrubs for PV.

Example:

theplanner.co.uk/news/uk%E2%80

Oh and I haven't see this one but here we go πŸ˜‚

telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/1

@mlg

That's basically the first thing that comes up in DuckDuckGo when you search for "surface power density" and I've linked the publication like 100x of times already.

Just in case:

sciencedirect.com/science/arti

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