kravietz 🦇 @kravietz@social.privacytools.io

@boud

> few FR politicians want to take proper responsibility for handling the full life cycle

Of course, because Greenpeace made the topic of anything nuclear so toxic that they can only lose popularity by association.

If you let politicians into energy sector you get German Energiewende - shut down nuclear, build new "safe" fossil gas and North Stream to import more gas.

But, most importantly you get 5x more CO2 emissions.

@djsumdog @boud

So at the end of the day what matters are objective comparisons of *lifecycle* usage of non-renewable resources. In case of energy sector I consider these as first priority:

* surface power density (how much land surface per unit of energy)
* greenhouse gas emissions (how much CO2)
* capacity factor (which makes any 1000 kWh of PV only 150 Wh in UK reality)

And then secondary metric:

* levelized cost of energy (LCOE, how much $$$ per unit of energy)

@djsumdog @boud

There are leaks and fuckups in each industry. PV leak cadmium, wind leaks gearbox oil, coal leaks ash and radioactive elements, gas and oil leak CO2 and methane... and radioactive elements etc etc.

So until we have nuclear fusion which shouldn't leak anything significant -- and if we want 24/7 electricity -- we need to focus at what leaks the least of everything per kilowatt-hour of energy.

@djsumdog @boud

I always encourage everyone talking about environmental impact of A to *compare* against X, Y, Z.

There's tons of misconceptions in this sphere, unfortunately created by environmental activism who in their effort to portray renewables as "clean" and nuclear as "dirty" simply resorts to utter nonsense.

The reality... this is what a photovoltaic panel is made of. Note what industry authored this advertisement... 😉

@boud

Now, as I mention 2000 m3 of coal waste *per day,* the whole UK nuclear program just that amount over... 50 years! Nuclear plants produce really extremely tiny amount of waste, especially compared to the amount of energy they produce. And this waste can be easily packed, stored and over 100 years it loses 93% of its activity.

@boud

And this applies to renewables too: photovoltaic panels contain toxic elements such as cadmium which, if just left on site unprocessed, poison the ground as it happened many times on failed PV projects.

Wind turbines contain hundreds of liters of gearbox oil which is deadly toxic to marine life and also require careful handling.

It's only in Greenpeace stories where renewables are made of pranic energy and never expire... In reality all engineering is dirty if mishandled.

@boud

As you speak of decommissioning, this applies to *any* technology and singling our nuclear is a manipulation.

Coal ash releases hundreds times (!) more radioactive elements to the environment than a nuclear power plant, yet countries are still burning coal and producing coal ash at 2000 m3 per day, which they just dump on huge heaps that occupy thousands of hectares.

These hills on the picture (Poland) are all coal ash, and they also require decades of treatment...

@boud

> The plan of how to treat the most dangerous radioactive waste

Someone lied to you. Spent fuel has been not only treated by actually *recycled* for years in Orano la Hauge. This is truly fascinating process and worth watching how it's done:

https://scitech.video/videos/watch/53184e23-6490-4158-a616-68af6afc0925

If the whole political spectrum in a country calls quite basic social services like public healthcare "socialism" then you end up in this square, yes...

@kmic

My statement is based on 30 years of living in Olsza, one of the most footbal-fans-controlled parts of Kraków, where people are literally slaughtering each other based on completely artificial divide which they celebrate like a religion and pass from father to son. If they are degraded in any way, the tribalism is the cause, not outcome here...

@kmic

The only divided societies are the dumb and self-righteous ones.

The competition is on for Eastern Europe’s #nuclear power market 🇨🇿 🇭🇺 🇪🇺 🇵🇱 🇦🇩

https://www.sustainability-times.com/low-carbon-energy/the-competition-is-on-for-eastern-europes-nuclear-power-market/

@kmic

> you don’t post that much about abuses in UK

I did, when the Brexit bullshit was going on.

Today I don't also because BBC isn't anywhere similar to TVP or Rossiya 1.

> post‑colonial privilege

Poland also had plenty of privilege in 17th century, which it unfortunately just wasted and turned into shit. UK built a welfare state with it.

@kmic This division is precisely the tragedy of all mentioned countries and you could just as well pull the example of Brexit vote here.

When you have a near 50/50 vote won by a small margin of mathematical majority, it's hard to talk about overwhelming support for something. It's fundamental divide.

Which seems to be centered on a clash between progressive and conservative ideas for each country's future...

@vfrmedia @dump_stack

The less you have, the more motivation you have to improve your well-being 🤷‍♂️ The pattern you describe in regard to Poles in UK is repeated 100% in Poland by immigrants from Ukraine for example. And everyone benefits from that!

@dump_stack @vfrmedia

> anti-Slavic sentiments in Western Europe

As someone frequently moving between "East" and "West" I would generalize it simply as:

"there still is an issue with sentiments"

😉

@kmic *Current* political situation in both countries is of course different, due to Poland's different cultural attitudes and membership in the EU. This could however rapidly change with Poland's exit from EU which today of course sounds like a pipe dream but can change over time with efforts of the state and nationalist propaganda.

@kmic

I do know about some of these... so what? What is exactly the point you're making?

@kmic The judiciary reform in Poland was "supported by citizens" pretty much in the same way as constitutional reform in Russia was "supported by citizens" 😂 In both cases you had plenty of debate, opposition from lawyers and mass protests on the streets.