kravietz 🦇 @kravietz@social.privacytools.io

@TradeMinister @amerika @hystericempress

But there's nothing empirical to demonstrate "racial differences" as you claim. What we see out with our eyes are phenotypical differences that originate from where specific groups lived in the past and nothing else. The same and much deeper differences do exist within populations occupying specific territory that you prefer to call a "race". If you want to show differences, just go and show them in scientific way, not some metaphysical BS.

@amerika @hystericempress

Historical viewpoint accepted that the Sun was circulating around Earth because this is what people saw and it was hard to challenge that obvious observation.

@amerika

LOL you should've added "because I say so" to make your argument complete 😂 Clearly, truth is the last thing you're after here...

@hystericempress

@amerika

You'd be on much safer grounds from scientific point of view if you just stuck to an argument that races are purely cultural phenomenon. This cannot be easily disproved and you can argue on this ad nauseam. And you'd be on a familiar ground with grievance studies and other postmodernist pseudo-science 😃

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@amerika

No, Lewontin made a statistically incorrect conclusion of correct data. Critics demonstrated an existing *correlation* of specific genes in population and geographic clusters, and it's fine, and that's what DNA testing shows. Nobody however demonstrated that they are "principally homogeneous within and heterogeneous between, contrasting groups", which is the primary postulate of race theory.

@hystericempress

@clacke Haha, good observation, you'd be surprised how often I have it! 😂 Usually this happens in quarterly cycles as this is how often I pay VAT and have to scan a pile of invoices from companies who still send them in paper 🤦‍♂️

@amerika

I didn't claim haplogroups don't cluster, quite the opposite - I wrote there are some dominant haplogroups everywhere. But where's that utopian race purity if you get at most 40% in the population (map) and perhaps at most 70-80% per individual?

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@amerika

Sorry, but this is looking like anything but "some mixing at the edges" 😂

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@amerika

You have blonde blue-eyed Aryan ubermensch with both H and R1a mtDNA. And possibly others. So what?

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@holger @feld

Oh, it doesn't seem to be *that* dramatic http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/2008.0/02649.html 😂

@feld

Patches for what exactly? 🤔

@amerika

These are phenotypes, so how people look like. You can have similar phenotypes from different haplogroups. In Europe you can find a whole range of these, from H to N, R, U etc. None of them have hard borders, they can be only described in terms of probability distribution.

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@amerika

Each of which is a mix too. Apart from some very closed or isolated ethic groups there are no "pure" ethnicities in the world. The former on the other hand frequently suffer from all kinds of genetic diseases as result of inbreeding. The very point of evolution is elimination of defects by gene mixing, and humanity has been practicising this happily for millenia.

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@mediazona Ожидаются настоящие толпы разведчиков в испанских курортах 😂