kravietz 🦇 @kravietz@social.privacytools.io

@xair @strypey

This is precisely how ecomodernism was born - you'll find many of the names on the list of signatories

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecomodernism

@xair @strypey

Quite a defining moment was Greenpeace procuring Seralini, who was proven scientific fraud, to write anti-GMO analyses for them. It's just as someone employed Andrew Wakefield to write scientific opinion about vaccines...

@xair @strypey

This is because everyone who had anything to do with science left Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth long time ago in protest against their fanatic policy against nuclear and genetic engineering. James Lovelock, Stewart Brand and many others were prominent environmentalists who parted from these organisations as they pushed away from science towards fanaticism and black-and-white PR.

@strypey

I'll leave you checking the actual returns for various energy sources as an exercise.

Second key indicator is life-cycle carbon emissions:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-cycle_greenhouse-gas_emissions_of_energy_sources

The key problem with renewables is very low power density. Uranium has the largest power density of all power sources, which means you will *always* need to spend least energy and carbon on manufacturing operations, because everything is smaller. And not like 2x smaller, but thousands time smaller.

@strypey

That's the problem, you suspect, I checked.

This is precisely why you have EROEI indicator to compare energy return to energy invested in total life-cycle, including manufacture, operations and decomission.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_return_on_investment#EROEI_and_payback_periods_of_some_types_of_power_plants

@strypey

> 5 years is a *long* time

It took 4 years to build Rampion off-shore wind farm in UK.

It took infinity to build DESERTEC solar farm in Sahara as it was started in 2010 and never completed. Another solar plant in USA was never completed and left territory contaminated with cadmium.

Same bias: you believe nuclear power plants are always delayed but renewable project are always completed in time, clean and lean.

This bias is the reason why Germany is running on gas and coal now.

@strypey

Opponents of nuclear power are using extremely biased, manipulated arguments based on ancient technologies and raising risks which they happily ignore for renewables (like uranium mining vs rare earth metals mining).

I witnessed a few "public debates" on nuclear energy - as people are trying to actually talk, Greenpeace activists just shout to prevent any debate from happening.

In France you had Green activist actually shooting from RPG at a nuclear reactor to prove it's dangerous.

@strypey

> Large-scale renewable plants get delayed by NIMBYism too

Opponents of large-scale wind and solar farms have a valid point: they occupy thousands of hectars of land, impacting plants, which need to be removed (trees for wind, everything for solar) as well as animals and humans, who are scared away by noise. This is not NIMBYism.

@strypey

Absolutely but please first check the facts before putting them on the table. Proposing baseline from geothermal means you didn't.