I think the whole is primarily about business - cleverly stimulated demand, based on "counter-cultural" mythology, just as with , and other alt-med like all kind of "miracle" cancer drugs. Just look at these prices - and dozens of shops can be found online:

@kravietz

And the vaccines, made by billion dollar corporations that aren't held liable for any side-effects aren't primarily about business?

@jcbrand

Vaccines save lives with 1/1'000'000 serious side effects and in most countries are distributed for free.

Snake oil "remedies" do *not* provide any protection, have unknown side effects and people pay highly inflated price out of their pocket.

Guess who's screwing you more.

@kravietz

Nobody is mandating that I take Ivermectin, Introducing ivermectin passports or blaming me for the pandemic if I don't take Ivermectin.

I think I know who's screwing me more, and it's not Ivermectin salespeople.

BTW, there are numerous studies on the effectiveness of Ivermectin.

ivmmeta.com/

@kravietz

I think you make a valid point that there are unscrupulous actors making large margins on Ivermectin sales and that these people therefore have a financial incentive to push a certain narrative.

Of course, the exact same logic can be applied to vaccine manufacturers, who make much more money on vaccine sales and have much more (advertising) money available to shape public discussion and policy making.

@jcbrand

So even if you assume for the sake of argument that Astra Zeneca & friends are 100% corrupt and profit-driven, there's literally hundreds of health, science and policy professionals between you and them, and there's media. No real conspiracy would survive this for long.

In case of ivermectin you got exactly the opposite - 100% direct sales channel between some fishy traders and uneducated buyers, driven by a few health professionals going right against the scientific consensus.

@kravietz

BTW, about "scientific consensus". It's often the heretics who push science forward in the face of a lot of resistance from the "consensus".

When Semmelweiss said that surgeons should wash their hands, he was smeared and ignored by the establishment.

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@jcbrand

Semmelweiss was ignored in early 19th century when Marxism was considered "scientific". Scientific methods have changed significantly since then. The frauds who now mention Semmelweiss on their YouTube debates are usually the same people who 10 years ago supported Andrew Wakefield in his anti-MMR vaccine campaign, that later came out to be a scientific fraud driven by lawsuit companies money.

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@kravietz

I read about Semmelweis in a book, not from a Youtube video.

@kravietz

"Science progresses one funeral at a time".

I'm sure you've heard that before?

@jcbrand

I've read all books by JΓΌrgen Thorwald and Siddhartha Mukherjee long time ago so yes, I'm familiar with the history of the medicine.

Especially Mukherjee's book on cancer talks a lot about the toxicity of the early anti-cancer treatments and further progress.

What you are missing here is that all of these treatments, even ineffective or toxic, were still the best option for terminal patients, who chose them over certain death.

@jcbrand

Enter alt-med, who sells terminally ill patients overpriced snake oil that is *guaranteed* to have no therapeutical effect, often drawing them away from actual drugs that are toxic but give at least say 25% chances of survival.

In 2004 I was saddened by death of a legendary Polish singer Jacek Kaczmarski, who suffered from throat cancer. I was then shocked to learn he refused chemotherapy and instead spent 100'000 CHF in some phony "holistic threapy" clinic in Switzerland.

@jcbrand Funny because nobody was even mentioning Semmelweis for many years until the whole COVID-19 alt-med started recently.

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