The battles we’re fighting for our privacy aren’t just to make our phones and computers private places today. They’re to keep our homes, cars, and minds private places in the future. They’re to protect our personhood and stave off autocracy.
@aral Some days I feel like there is not much left to fight for or, at least, way less than what we would think.
It's so depressing to see how swiftly rights we took for essential are being thrown away, with the cheering of so, so many people convinced it is the right thing to do.
@yaglb I hear you and there are days I feel the same. But what choice do we have? We must fight. I can’t think of anything else I could do while this is still a problem.
with cars we need to make younger people strongly aware of the loss of privacy; but its difficult as those below 25 are all nudged towards accepting a black box insurance policy with fitted tracker and the cost difference is as much as £200 less to accept the surveillance (which isn't even 100% reliable), but thats a lot of money for a young person, and the insurers are trying to encourage use of surveillance to all age groups..
https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/joe-lycett-takes-on-adrian-flux-channel-4-8278042
@vfrmedia @aral @yaglb May I also bring this to your attention? https://peertube.tv/videos/watch/8f325fa7-0d9d-4630-b577-6db3df9c2fee
@randynose @Ambiorix @aral @yaglb
driving an oldtimer is a possible workaround for those of us who are older and have access to workshop space / time to maintain one, although at in Europe most used cars made until around 2016 don't have the real time surveillance fully implemented, many expect the driver to swallow the data costs (by dangling the carrot of being able to mirror a mobile phone screen to the car or to have an in car hotspot, if they don't fill the SIM slot this doesn't work!)
@randynose @Ambiorix @aral @yaglb
I think its the insurance/surveillance tie ins that need to be more deeply investigated; they act directly on "hearts and minds" of younger people. I was lucky enough myself to only start driving later in life (by which time the price difference is only about £30 less for a spy box policy) but when its £200 and someone younger has already spent £2000 on learning to drive they are more likely to cave in and accept having a black box policy.. >>
@randynose @Ambiorix @aral @yaglb
also many European countries are actively going to discourage use of petrol and diesel powered vehicles from 2030 onwards in preference of EVs, and a lot of EVs have the surveillance tech baked in (whilst driving second hand petrol/diesel cars won't be banned, its not clear what will happen to fuel prices in the future!)
@vfrmedia @randynose @Ambiorix @aral @yaglb
> a lot of EVs have the surveillance tech baked in
And that's probably the area that needs most focus for privacy advocacy groups and regular citizens. Currently the car firmware is 100% proprietary black box can do anything as long as it passes the safety & emissions tests. If these are 100% covered by GDPR, it will both control all kind of proprietary and abusive tracking (as in Tesla) and insurance tracking making it subject to explicit consent.
