a manned mission to mars is like controlled fusion. Sure, it seems like they get closer every year, but I'll never believe it til I see it.

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The goal is there mostly because humans like goals, but otherwise both space exploration and fusion are about the research happening *in the process.* ITER alone brings hundreds of discoveries in physics, materials, design, logistics etc each year, even though its declared goal is delayed by 5 years (but the current schedule of first plasma in 2025 is feasible).

@kravietz sure I'm not saying they aren't worthwhile projects. Even without the pragmatic benefits I think they would be worthy goals. But nuclear fusion has been famously "just a decade or two away" for several decades. I think manned mars missions are going the same way.
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Just recently one of the DESERTEC directors told me that the project objectives were actually also kind of mostly research, which would change the perspective - but then, he admitted they too allowed themselves too many far-fetching statements and declarations about the project's objectives. I can only assume this was because hype attracts attention, and attention attracts funding. But then, the "failed" labels sticks to the project forever...

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