a manned mission to mars is like controlled fusion. Sure, it seems like they get closer every year, but I'll never believe it til I see it.

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The goal is there mostly because humans like goals, but otherwise both space exploration and fusion are about the research happening *in the process.* ITER alone brings hundreds of discoveries in physics, materials, design, logistics etc each year, even though its declared goal is delayed by 5 years (but the current schedule of first plasma in 2025 is feasible).

@kravietz sure I'm not saying they aren't worthwhile projects. Even without the pragmatic benefits I think they would be worthy goals. But nuclear fusion has been famously "just a decade or two away" for several decades. I think manned mars missions are going the same way.
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Also as it comes to ITER specifically, it's an unique project with dozens of countries participating, and the objective being research rather than fast delivery of a working prototype. 90% of the delays in the project were specifically due to political & organisational issues rather than engineering or science.

There's a very good book I just found last year "ITER: The Giant Fusion Reactor: Bringing a Sun to Earth" by Michel Claessens, he writes about it in great detail.

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