a manned mission to mars is like controlled fusion. Sure, it seems like they get closer every year, but I'll never believe it til I see it.

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The goal is there mostly because humans like goals, but otherwise both space exploration and fusion are about the research happening *in the process.* ITER alone brings hundreds of discoveries in physics, materials, design, logistics etc each year, even though its declared goal is delayed by 5 years (but the current schedule of first plasma in 2025 is feasible).

@kravietz sure I'm not saying they aren't worthwhile projects. Even without the pragmatic benefits I think they would be worthy goals. But nuclear fusion has been famously "just a decade or two away" for several decades. I think manned mars missions are going the same way.
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History of fusion projects (such as ITER) is a good example of the fundamental difference between a scientific and engineering project. Fusion technology is there and we know how to do it for scientific research.

What is not there is sustainable net-added sustainable fusion, where we're not only doing the fusion in the lab but actually have an *economically* viable way of *producing* energy. As opposed to expensive way of consuming it, which most of the science projects do :)

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