This is Grohnde power plant. In February 2021 it produced 400 TWh low-carbon electricity since it started in 1984, with no accidents or leaks.

The plant occupies 0.4 km2 and is surrounded by farm fields.

preussenelektra.de/en/about-pe

Just for comparison, to replace its nameplate capacity of 1430 MW you would need 286 wind turbines 5 MW each, occupying 476 km2 in total. That's around the area shown on this screenshot, all filled with wind turbines.

But then, that's *nameplate* only, so 100%. In reality, on-shore wind has ~20% capacity factor, so the area needs to be increased 5x to *actually* get the same amount of energy (kWh).

2383 km2 of wind turbines to replace a single 1430 MW nuclear power plant.

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@kravietz To what extent is surface area a limiting factor, vs the initial costs, operating and maintenance, etc.

Even that big number is only 0.002% of the land.

Mother nature brings fuel to the wind turbines for free, can't say the same about the uranium mining, enrichment, transportation, and other support infrastructure needed everytime the power plant gets refueled.

@mlg

> fuel to the wind turbines for free

This is why we use lifecycle surface power density to estimate land surface use per W of power delivered, which includes mining, manufacturing, operations and decommissioning.

@kravietz Before you can use this metric, establish why this metric is even a valid one for comparison.

WHere is the report saying "Land use is the most critical limiting factor in electricity generation. M^2 / watt should be the primary metric in evaluating electricity generation technologies" ?

@mlg

That's basically the first thing that comes up in DuckDuckGo when you search for "surface power density" and I've linked the publication like 100x of times already.

Just in case:

sciencedirect.com/science/arti

@kravietz So that report doesn't take into account the intensivity of what the land is used for.

Digging 1 hectare into a pit mine is different than 1 hectare of selectively logged forest for biomass, or as that very report pointed out using 1 hectare of renewables shared with other uses, like grazing land or rooftops.
I don't see any implication that the rest of industry is ignoring these costs. Only in particular cases like a land shortage would this metric by additoinally weighted

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@mlg LOL haven't noticed it but it's a really good catch πŸ˜‚

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