@michiel @laufi

Majority of the "environmental" activism organisations sadly joined an anti-scientific movement initiated primarily by Jeremy Rifkin ages ago, probably because it sold better.

This is why you have Greenpeace hiring Seralini for GMO reports and Greenpeace Energy in Germany selling fossil gas and preferring it over nuclear against all available scientific evidence, including IPCC πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

@kravietz
I'm sorry, but this statement is as unscientific as you claim activists to be. Instead of disproving the precise claims of these people you accuse them of being related to a movement (which you did not prove btw). Even if it is like you say, this does not mean their claims are wrong (logical fallacy of guilt by association).

Aside from that: By directly providing sources for your claims in context, you can make a focused discussion easier.
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@kravietz @michiel
And I have to add, that using Greenpeace, a strongly hierarchical organization, as a representative example for calling all activists that do not agree with nuclear power unscientific is a bit of a small sample for the whole movement. There are bigger organizations like e.g. Friends of the Earth who call a lot of well recognized scientists their members and have high scientific standards (with the exception of a few wavies that had to be cast out).

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Each part of this statement can be easily falsified, starting with CO2 emissions which are pretty much the same for wind and nuclear:

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@kravietz
What part of my statement was about emissions? (And can you add a link to the source ;) Sorry if I am a bit strict on this, but it really improves the quality of discussions when people have easier access, because it is less hard to read up on them)
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@laufi @michiel

Sorry, seems like the thread are messed up here - "this statement" was about the quote from Jacobson, not what you wrote!

@kravietz
I totally understand. :D

My "annoying you with requests to source URLs" still holds.
@michiel

@kravietz
I meant: it is easier for people to verify your claims if the sources are provided directly alongside the claim, so you do not have to search for it in big repositories, making it less effort. That's why scientific papers do citations in context.
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