Just to be clear: I do believe wind, solar and other renewable energy sources are necessary and most countries still have potential to increase their share and reduce dependency on fossil fuels.

Just don't tell me 100% wind and power is possible.

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@kravietz but that's the basic problem, science in #renewableEnergy is concerned about (although in discussions it's mostly limited to classic energy storage and not other solutions like #PowerToX or even intelligent consumption control, sociological approaches...). So it's not like people working on renewable energy are not thinking about.

@laufi

Yes, I've read studies of numerous 100% RE models with a simple assumption like "we just need to add 1 TWh of storage per year".

I absolutely don't mind the RE innovation as long as it doesn't turn into overzealous tribal war where low-carbon nuclear power plants are shut down... and replaced by fossil gas plants "because we need 24/7 electricity", as Germany and Belgium do all the time.

@kravietz i also don't mind if somebody would find a sufficient method of storing or taking care of the nuclear waste, it produces. ;)

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@laufi

You should really have done some actual research before using these decades-old Greenpeace cliches!

The reality of nuclear waste storage is simple and boringly safe:

1) it loses toxicity fast (down to 7% after 100 years)

2) it's produced in amounts so tiny that it can be stored in absolutely safe conditions

The photo below shows the whole 40 years of waste from the whole Swiss nuclear program:

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@kravietz you heard of the federal German research program about nuclear storage, right?

Also, if you wan't to help me "getting up to date with the topic", why not poste some links to resources instead of posting a picture without context?

I'm honestly interested to change my mind if you can convince me by citing scientific sources i cannot find valid arguments against, or at least can name some trustworthy sources that present a different result.

@laufi

That's absolutely not a problem as I have a massive library on that subject:

pinboard.in/u:kravietz/t:nucle

If you prefer YT then there is this video with a very strong scientific base about general radiation risks -- and their perception:

youtube.com/watch?v=pOvHxX5wMa

If you prefer reading, there's this series of articles:

michmat.medium.com/the-deadly-

@kravietz i'll have to take some time to look through that, as, on first glance, not everything is about nuclear waste. I think that's the point where our opinions differ.

@laufi

If you're interested specifically in the topic of waste I can recommend this podcast

deepisolation.com/blogs/new-de

Also the Deadly Sins article deals specifically with the topic of waste too:

michmat.medium.com/the-deadly-

And this video from Orano processing plant in France:

scitech.video/videos/watch/531

@laufi

If you prefer a book, then there's "Whole Earth Discipline" by Stewart Brand (2010)

@laufi @kravietz Uranium reactors are an offshoot of the nuclear weapons industry. They provide alternate fuel production pipelines that aren't subject to weapons treaties. This is why despotic regimes always have nuclear "power" programs based on that design.

They're inefficient, expensive, and dangerous precisely because they're primary purpose is *not* to provide cheap, clean, safe power.

The US military had 2 thorium salt test reactors in the late 40s or early 50s (can't recall the exact dates), but after years of research, they just couldn't find any way to get usable amounts of plutonium out of the decay chain, so they shuttered the whole program.

Don't blame nuclear power for the faults of nuclear weapons.

@anonymoose @laufi

> alternate fuel production pipelines

You can't make plutonium in a VVR reactor either πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

Most notable example on the proliferation topic is Iran - but I did check its history and it comes out their nuclear *weapons* program was completely independent from nuclear *power* program, they were totally separated and existed without any dependencies on each other.

Israel is another example of country that has weapons, but no civilian reactors.

@anonymoose @laufi

> hey're primary purpose is *not* to provide cheap, clean, safe power

This is by all means true about RBMK reactors. There's maybe 10 RMBK reactors in the world and all of them in Russia.

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