@cjd

If you would like to actually learn something new, with solid scientific base, rather than just repeating FUD cliches invented at Greenpeace 30 years ago I recommend "Whole Earth Discipline" (2010) by Stewart Brand

libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=3

@kravietz
It's a bit rich linking me a GMO marketing blog and then saying Actually Learn Something...

There is this persistent idea that we need a centrally planned top-down solution to save the world, and I think part of it's appeal is that it allows people to believe that they're the intellectual elite.

20th century is littered with examples of such well meaning projects which all went awry (Seeing like a State - James C. Scott), but people like to believe...

@cjd

> we need a centrally planned top-down

Your personal straw-man? Who said anything about "centrally planned"?

Farmers in India have 60% of their crops eaten by pest and have to flood it with pesticides to even collect something.

They ask smart guy on local uni to come up with a pest-resistant crop.

The university does it, everyone is happy.

Oh, apart from Greenpeace who prefers (sitting in their A/C office in NY) to starve, as "there's generally too many people".

@kravietz
Ok so you an I are aligned in being strongly against the "there are too many people" motherf****ers. I myself don't have strong enough words for them.

Now problem with GMO crops is it's kind of like virus research, if all goes well then everything is great. If something goes wrong then result could look like COVID-19. We need to make progress on both fronts but we also need to be extremely careful not to blow the world up doing it.

@cjd I am sorry, but your comment shows that you are behind modern science on the topic, IMHO. If you do not want to go over research papers I can suggest exploring archive numbers of Scientific America especially these talking about CRISPR-Cas9. I am sure Science Friday covered these in depth over the years too. That being said, the problem of modern GMO are patents. /cc @kravietz

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Patents are a popular Monsanto scare, which ignores the fact that patents 1) aren't global, 2) GMO-related patentes applied to very specific techniques used in producing new breeds, 3) most of Monsanto patents expired back in 2000, 4) traditional breeds are protected by IP laws too, 5) nothing prevents you from releasing your GMO seeds into public domain, just as Golden Rice did

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