Elon Musk gets a lot of hate, and I get it, he's not a *nice person*. But look, this guy broke the oil trust. If it weren't for him we'd still be sitting in our hands chanting "no realistic alternative" while our infrastructure slowly cooks us to death.

@cjd

> this guy broke the oil trust

How did he exactly? Not disagreeing, just asking.

@kravietz
Proved that electric cars can be utilitarian, fun, and economical.

@cjd

Tesla may be fun (never driven one) but how they are utilitarian and economical. For 27'000 GBP (cheapest 2014 model I was able to find in UK) you basically get a luxury sedan.

Disclaimer: I've been driving hybrids (Prius, Auris) since 2013 and considered EV once per since on average, but I just can't make any functional (size & range) and economical (price) sense of them. for my usage scenarios.

@kravietz
Utilitarian = You can use one as your primary vehicle to get places you *need* to be, it's not a toy scooter.
Economical = Costs will drop and quality will improve as they make more, i.e. "it scales".

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@cjd

But I have just explained on numbers how it's *neither* utilitarian nor economical as of today.

How can you say - using past tense - Tesla "proved" anything based on an assumption about something that may potentially happen in future?

I could just as well say a Maybach is utilitarian and economical using this logic because one day I may afford it.

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