Replacing WhatsApp ...
Niklas
@ColinTheMathmo Matrix,Jabber or Session.All centralized services are risky as the same can happen to them what happened to Whatsapp.
@nipos Yes, good, I know that, but you're not helping. You're telling me I need to go and learn a lot of stuff. I have yet to figure out how to use Matrix, despite trying several times.
@ColinTheMathmo Where exactly do you have problems with Matrix?Maybe I can help.It's basically like email: Sign up at any server you trust,sign-in with a Matrix-compatible app and add contacts using their Matrix ID @username:server.com and start chatting.
@nipos Sign up how? Using what software? You say "Matrix-compatible app" ... I have no idea what that means.
By trying to be compatible with everything I find them ... overwhelming.
1) Go to https://app.element.io/ (which is popular web-based client for Matrix protocol)
2) Create an account at the default matrix.org instance
3) Chat to anyone in the network including all people's instances
What's complicated here?
I understand that you're talking about the usability side of Matrix, but this is a typical case with open-source protocols. https://matrix.org/ has a prominent Try Now button on the top right which takes you to the web client. Very likely in the past it was more complicated but if you managed to register with Mastodon what's the difference here?
@kravietz The extreme top right corner is not the first thing I look at. The first thing I see is:
> "An open network for secure, decentralized communication"
With a button:
> "Learn More"
I click that, and very close to the top is:
> "How can I try it out?"
> "To start chatting on Matrix you’ll need to sign up for a user account."
OK, so let's click the "Try Now" button, and I get ...
> "you need to choose a client, register an account on a homeserver, and join a room."
...
CC: @nipos
Yes, now waiting for your rant about terrible Mastodon experience 😂
@kravietz Compared with Twitter, Mastodon is a poor on-boarding experience. The fact that I'm here shows that I'm perfectly capable of dealing with that.
The fact that I'm then complaining about a poor on-boarding experience with Matrix should tell you that it is, in fact, actually bad.
But if you don't care, and if you don't want it to get wider adoption, if you want it eventually to die through being purely niche, that's fine.
I'm OK with you ignoring my feedback.
CC: @nipos
If you *really* want to provide useful feedback rather than ranting on the Internet just go to https://github.com/matrix-org/ and submit it as an issue.
