@kravietz

The long-term risks and costs of civilian nuclear power are too high.

France has the most nuclearised electricity:

* The cost of managing closed-down civilian nuclear reactors is huge: they produce no electricity but remain radioactive and must be permanently protected from tourists, thieves and terrorists.

* The plan of how to treat the most dangerous radioactive waste is still very uncertain; it *might* start at #Cigéo in 2025:

fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestion_

fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cig%C3%A

@boud

> The plan of how to treat the most dangerous radioactive waste

Someone lied to you. Spent fuel has been not only treated by actually *recycled* for years in Orano la Hauge. This is truly fascinating process and worth watching how it's done:

scitech.video/videos/watch/531

@kravietz

Clarification: "the most dangerous" was an abbreviation for « Déchets MA-VL » 45000 m^3 + « Déchets HA » 3650 m^3 in fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestion_. 90500 m^3 of FA-VL is not yet stored.

Lower emission waste is already stored.

A *tiny* fraction (1172 tonnes/yr , 2013) is recycled at:
fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usine_de

As for the full life cycle:
fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Démantèl

Very few FR politicians want to take proper responsibility for handling the full life cycle (waste + dismantling old reactors).

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@boud

Regarding the waste, there are two reasons why new storage is introduced so slowly: political and economical. Political - people are misinformed by Greenpeace and protest. Economical - the amount of waste is so tiny now that it's not economically viable to build expensive underground storage. Yet.

@kravietz

I don't understand the focus on Greenpeace. CRIIRAD is not run by Greenpeace. Neither Le Canard Enchaîné, Charlie Hebdo, Réseau Sortir du nucléaire, or the Association française des malades de la thyroïde are controlled by Greenpeace.

fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commissi

fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9s

fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associat

Keep in mind the corporate/market/military/state complex [Eisenhower] which has its own interests in misleading the debate.

Without #OpenScience we won't get far.

@djsumdog

@boud @djsumdog

I don't know the anti-nuclear movement in France and I can merely swear in French, but I can't see then come up with any qualitatively new and significant arguments that those by global "environmental" organisations. And these are simply invalid and pseudo-scientific.

@kravietz @djsumdog

France is where most of the hard empirical data based on a half-century of experience is.

The number of quantifiable parameters for responsible social decision making is huge.
The (statistical) quantification of #risk is not just blabla (if done properly).

Low-probability high-risk events, such as pandemics or civilian nuclear accidents, are part of this. Modelling extreme events (e.g. with a #Gumbell distribution) is harder than modelling Gaussians...

@boud @djsumdog

You're absolutely right, but the worst nuclear accident that can happen in third-generation PWR reactor is shutdown in case of total loss of external and internal power, and loss of coolant.

neimagazine.com/features/featu

And you cannot run risk analysis in industry without *comparing* against alternatives, can you?

This is precisely why I highlighted the deep geologic repositories in Germany - they are there, they store cyanides, mercury, arsenic... yet nobody cares.

@boud @djsumdog

And this widespread disinformation is precisely the reason why I always just bring the discussion to these basic engineering metrics:

social.privacytools.io/@kravie

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