In the other news: Friends of the Earth renaming itself into Friends of the Fossil πŸ˜‚

@kravietz That's an exaggeration. Gas is evil, but gas power plants produce more power per unit of emitted CO2 than coal plants.

@knowak The background is that if countries like Germany weren't shutting down their *existing* and fully operational nuclear power plants since 2010, the question of whether fossil gas is "less evil" wouldn't even arise. The only reason why they need to consider fossil gas is because they're losing the energy output as result of nuclear power plant closures and renewables cannot replace them.

@kravietz Yes, I'm aware of the circumstances. Personally, I disagree with phasing out of nuclear power. Still, getting from Greenpeace calling the policy of one country "necessary evil" to "greenpeace is fossil friends" is dramatization I associate with twitter. :)

@knowak In objective terms, even Gazprom hasn't done as much to increase fossil gas share in world's energy mix as Greenpeace did 🀷 They say "necessary evil" but at the end of the day fossil gas goes brrrr directly as result of their lobbying.

@kravietz Ummm, maybe, that's new to me. I'm afraid you'd have to explain your reasoning to me as you would to a 5 year old kid. :D "Increased share in mix" may still result in a net decrease of CO2 emissions, which would be in line with fighting climate change. Also, sources... (I don't expect you're going to spend your time convincing me :))

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So while Germany has indeed increased share of renewables, it has at the same time *increased* imports of oil and gas. They have decreased nuclear and coal, but the gas imports are skyrocketing and - most importantly - CO2 emissions are decreasing very little or even increasing (depending on what reference year you compare against).

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