News sites are so annoying with their aggressive internal linking. They talk about this cool new product you want to read about then, when you're ready to actually see the product on the company's page, you can't find an external link to it anywhere in that article or any other 2375 it links to.

Seriously considering this for my next phone.
shop.fairphone.com/en/fairphon

I'm between it with Android or Ubuntu Touch and one of the Pixels with GrapheneOS

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@amolith

I'm using /e/ for ~2 years and even contributed to it a bit. All listed controversies were basically about "they say degoogled, but not degoogled enough", mostly because LineageOS still has quite a lot of Google code in them. For example you can't remove Google 204 connectivity check... until you implement your own, which /e/ and GrapheneOS did, but LineageOS didn't. GrapheneOS developer is however an arrogant dick, so I've stopped using it and settled with /e/.

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@kravietz @amolith

Think Fairphone contracted out development of the operating system for the Fairphone 3

Verified boot implementation is a big fail. Uses test signing keys. EDL left open.

hub.libranet.de/wiki/and-priv-
(Note theres two sections on FP3 in that)

Think theoretically this could be fixed if old/new devices had keys flashed by EDL.

That would break current /e/ for FP3

Doesnt fill me with much confidence as to the quality of the implementation of the rest of device code/security

@dazinism @amolith

I've never really owned a FairPhone. I like the idea behind it but I like the idea of spending $500 for a new smartphone much less. I'm just switching from one 2-3 years old used smartphone to another, flashing them with /e/ or LineageOS (depending on hardware compatibility).

@kravietz

The problems of the connectivity check is debatable. It doesn't send any data, just makes a get request

Don't really see how that data could be useful to Google or tied to anyone/any unique device

Using something else makes you stand out significantly on the network you are using, as next to nobody uses something different.
@amolith

@dazinism @amolith

You're right about the priorities, which is precisely why I guess neither LineageOS nor /e/ made a big fuss of it. But then you had the wave of people making a whole scandal based on this, humbly described above as "some privacy concerns" πŸ˜‚

As for 204, Google gets your IP and User-Agent as minimum, and I agree that people have right not to want to share this with them. And "standing out" assumes you're under DPI, which is a rare threat scenario.

@kravietz
Think you can modify the captive portal stuff, on any device, using adb. I've never tried. @amolith

@kravietz @amolith cool, so are you happy with #efoundation ?

@amolith they do have #fairphone with their system preinstalled.
we have 1 #fairphone here. quite alright but also large & a bit heavy
Still like the idea if running 2 sim plus sdcard.
#fairphone itself runs your data, when you order, through many 3rd party services. They are definitely not fair & respectful to the data of the clients. typical #startup mentality 😞

@nurinoas

Yes, /e/ does its job as a ROM but also, more importantly, as the server side services that are actually maintained by someone.
@amolith

@kravietz
Thanks.
My #lineageos Rom is unofficial giving headache with updates.
It /e/ is better maintained, this is my thing until #linux on phones kicks off.
Do banking apps run on /e/ ?
@amolith

@nurinoas

It has MicroG and signature faking but not root, so most paranoid apps were working for me. And yes, it's maintained. Disadvantage - only around ~100 models supported, out of which only a few from 2019.

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