Imagine where we are in terms of general education if in 2020 this picture has hundreds of likes and retweets with comments like "WOW BEES RESPECT HOLY ICON" and nobody mentions pigments in oil paint... đ¤Śââď¸
@kravietz weâre fucked, forget the bees, they arenât the half of it!
Yeah, 9m people are just going to disappear. I think I've heard that before. Wow, very socialist, such decency.
@kravietz again, Apartheid South Africa didnât disappear. Donât be so ahistorical with your âcritiqueâ. No ones has proposed extermination: the move to a democratic secular state is as far removed from Genocide as one could invent. Thatâs the point: stop inventing! Zionism is racism.
Your meme somehow missed this nuanced views of "a democratic secular state".
@kravietz itâs been view held by human rights advocates and progressives for many years now âA Modest Proposalâ sums it up quite succinctly. Iâd be extremely surprised if you werenât aware of it. it doesnât propose killing or expelling anyone: no ones life is in danger. Itâs the only option that is both Just and Fair. Every other alternative sanction breaches of international law on a massive. Zionists pretend otherwise but intellectual honesty requires you to look beyond tribal allegiances.
I'm all for looking beyond tribalism but do you realize that half of the plan depends on a political party for which any normalisation of relations with Jews is "the worst sin"?
P.S. the author is a convicted paedophile but let's assume this doesn't influence his proposal
@kravietz which political system are you referring to, Israel?? Jews arenât Israelis and Israelis arenât jews: theyâre not synonyms. The US need only remove funding until Israel compiles with international law.
And criminal prosecutions in a domain entirely outside the remit of international justice are unlikely to impact someoneâs lifetime spent advocating consistently for a Just and Fair resolution to conflict, the only way to lasting peace. Unless you have evidence to the contrary?
> which political system are you referring to
This the founding principle of Hamas. And I'm sure you are aware of recent case when a Palestinian "journalist" Hind Khoudary denounced another Palestinian journalist Rami Aman to Hamas for being on a Skype call with a journalist from Israel. Then he was arrested and never seen since. This is how she justified it:
@kravietz Hamas have nothing to do with the occupied West Bank nor occupied Jerusalem, as you well know. Illegally occupied, under international law, for 72 years now, long before Hamas were a thing. Again, as you well know.
Point of observation: Ignorance of Israelâs role in creating Hamas seems to be a common occurrence with Zionists, why is that? đ¤
Was there any particular thing, like a major event, that could have possibly triggered West Bank occupation? đ¤
@kravietz @kravietz yes, Israelâs 1948 Genocide of Palestine, the Nakba, where 700,000 Palestinians were forcibly displaced - documented by many Israeli and Palestinian historians. And before than the British role in promising âJews a Homelandâ (not a state, letâs be quite clear and historically accurate) in the 1920s . You are aware of these events, arenât you?
You're evading now. There's quite a gap between 1948 and 1967. Didn't any significant happen in like 1967?
@kravietz the land was occupied, illegally, in 1948 until 1967 with martial law in place, discriminatory duel legal systems for non-Jews, open air prisons - all well documented. It was still occupied after 1967. Nothing changed except the formal status of the post 67 occupation. Youâre deflecting. No, youâre minimising. Why is that? Why does a civilian population under occupation from 48 to 67 not warrant your concern?
So apparently something did happen in 1967? What was that exactly and why are you evading even mentioning it so much?
@kravietz the Palestinian civilian population, already under an illegal occupation since 1948, did precisely nothing to merit their situation, legally, morally or ethically.Youâre continuing to whitewash 19 years of brutal military occupation from 48 to 67. Why is that? The right to defend ones-self, with violence if necessary, is enshrined in international law for good reason: invading European colonialists donât stop stealing land just because theyâre asked. 1948-67, zionism killed thousands.
Yes, and then 1967 came and what happened exactly?
Still not answering the question.
@kravietzii itâs been answered and it provides no insight into an illegal and racist colonial occupation from 48-67 nor beyond 67 (post âformal annexation): nothing of significance to Palestinians occurred in 1967 that changed their status as occupied people. Youâll have to tell us what youâre insinuating that justifies eastern European colonialist adventures - unless Polish nationality is the unspoken bias thatâs causing this cognitive dissonance here. International law is key here.
@kravietz yes? As in yes youâre prepared to whitewash 19 years of brutal occupation between 48-68 with 700,000 displaced native Palestinian inhabitants!? What moral framework permits such a thing? Itâs not one grounded in international law, humanitarian or otherwise, thatâs for sure. Nothing of significance to 1948-1966 occurred in 1967 that should justify a prior illegal occupation - time travel isnât a thing, as youâre aware. So explain, with recourse to international law, your thoughts...