What could the Privacy Redirect add-on redirect Reddit links to?
@strypey nothing AFAIK, but the problem is much bigger than #Reddit & bigger than a simple URL substitution can handle. Think of all the articles on #CloudFlare sites. Hard-coding a site-by-site remedy would be an endless chase. We need a tool that will visit #privacy-hostile sites via some sandboxed anonymous Tor circuit, harvest the text, and store it on an onion host.
@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo
yeah, but you can browse #reddit using #torbrowser without #javascript.
https://old.reddit.com
@strypey
@Br0m3x @strypey Indeed. I wonder if Privacy Redirect could be smart enough to detect whether #Tor is installed, & launch Tor Browser to visit old reddit. OTOH, it'd still be direct Reddit access so Reddit would still profit from the ads. Ideally the mechanism would strip out the ads & promoted content.
@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo
> Ideally the mechanism would strip out the ads & promoted content.
Isn't all that stuff served using JS? I actually have no problem with static ads from anyone willing to sponsor websites. Static ads are aimed at the presumed readership of a website and require no tracking or datafarming of users.
@strypey
The same here. Static ads are OK.
@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo
@Br0m3x @strypey you're ignoring the money flow. The least intrusive of ads (static, non-targeted) are still harmful if the revenue they generate supports a #privacy abuser. Recall that we are talking specifically in the context of getting the content of privacy abusing websites to the privacy-respecting free world.
@strypey @Br0m3x w.r.t all sites (even privacy-respecting ones), I still have an objection to ads in general. Ads inherently create an arms race. I.e. a vendor reluctant to spend money on ads is forced to when their competitor does so. Ads are manipulative & they distort reality to undermine cost-benefit perceptions, so goods/services with poor value gain undeserved marketshare.
@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo in general, I agree with you. This piece makes a good case against marketing:
https://davelane.nz/tech-marketing-listen-ignore-research
But what about the use of static ads by cooperatives, not-for-profits, or other entities whose goals are to raise awareness of public interest matters, and to support the operator whose platform hosts their static ads?
@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @strypey @Br0m3x
Aren't tobacco ads banned in the US? I think they're banned in most of the world by now, and US free speech does seem to have a number of exceptions too.
@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @Br0m3x @strypey
Ok, but I just wanted to understand the US specifics as you mentioned ads *and* free speech specifically
@kravietz @strypey @Br0m3x well I probably couldn't give you detailed specifics on this, but free speech is not an absolute right in the US. But I also don't think the US can outright ban all speech from any industry. I think the gov bases all anti-tobacco actions on child protection.