is deleting Cyber videos because they changed TOS, and now everything about how to perform break TOS.

People at r/datahoarders are backuping ALL videos including and are sharing it through

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@Vortax as I explained to other folks on Twitter: YouTube owns us nothing. It's their platform for content monetization and their rules. We're free to use anything else, such as

@kravietz
I respect your POV, but deeply disagree.

He owes us everything. We are customers. We are not paying with money, but with our data and receiving ads, and that allowed then to earn a fucking TON of money. Even more, they decided unilaterally change TOS. I could understand if they forbid new videos, but they should respect those uploaded under previous TOS.

What's more, I agree that they legally can do it.

If something can be done does not mean that it's morally right.

My two cents.

@kravietz
Also, the fact that they are essentially a monopoly means that they shouldn't do whatever they want.

Being banned from YouTube essentially means that your video is banned from internet. When someone has such power that you can control what others say, so if you block them their voices can't reach others, that is the definition of

@Vortax this is precisely why should be rebuilding the Internet - and that's why we're using Mastodon rather than Twitter. We wouldn't change anything 15 years ago if we just sent petitions to Internet Explorer team rather than f*k IE and use Firefox/Chrome

@Vortax Google will be forbidden from doing this under Article 17 of the new EU Copyright Directive but it's not live yet. I'm not defending Google, I'm just encouraging everyone to stop depending on them.

@kravietz
Totally true. Unfortunately, till today, there is simply no alternative to YouTube. Not Vimeo, not peertube, nothing. So, having content banned from YouTube is a great loss, and we should make them know when they do something we don't like.

Datahoarders made a fucking great move backuping all this content. We need alternatives to YouTube, but until then, I think we should have right to protest when YouTube makes a dick move like this.

@Vortax Why "no alternative"? Peertube works like a charm. If you're a popular tutorial autor on YT, people will follow your content wherever you post it

@kravietz
Because there is no quality content on peertube (or content at all). It's the classic snowball case. People start uploading content, your popularity rises, more people upload, and you become a reference platform. Since you are reference, everyone uploads to you, other sites get no content, and to be heard, all people must come to you, or no one notices.

Peertube has no content. It is no alternative right now. Maybe in 5 years, but not now.

@Vortax this IMHO depends only on your objectives; if you publish to monetize - well, YT is your partner (although greedy and unpredictable); if you publish to teach or for fame - you can refer people to your Peertube videos from any channel of your choice: Mastodon, Twitter, SSB, Facebook, LinkedIn or evern YouTube itself - the latter would probably work quite well with the current security videos witch hunt there...

@Vortax also a bit of a correction on the "upload to you part" - Peertube is federated so it doesn't really matter where you upload; for example I could watch this fine "Python Async basics" video on troll.tv/videos/watch/fce3f4a5 Peertube instance regardless of where the author @andybalaam originally uploaded it - that's a whole different paradigm here, there's no "reference platform"!

@kravietz @Vortax Peertube is acquiring good content because people are uploading it. I encourage everyone to join in!

@andybalaam
@kravietz

Let's be honest here: content creators want to be paid for the videos. Only small creators with limited followers or with true passion on what they do would be willing to switch to peertube and stop earning money.

Someone like with 10m subscribers would probably be willing, but there is no way that (10.5M) will post on peertube.

That is why peertube will never have good content except for privacy or irreverent one.

@Vortax @kravietz similar argument to why Free Software will never succeed? Yet the majority of the code running the Internet is Free. The fact that some people will not move does not mean there won't be lots of people who produce fantastic videos on PeerTube.

@andybalaam
@kravietz

You have a point here, but it is not the same. Monetizing software means that people have to actually "pay" for it, which is something 99% is not willing to do.

Monetizing a video is as simple as upload. 99% people is willing to "pay" for it with and Ad or with their data, because it is perceived as "free"

Nowadays trend in video creation is you are paid for it. It is very difficult to change that trend to a donation based one, for example.

@Vortax @kravietz I see creators I like on YouTube and Twitch increasingly switching to Patreon, so it's working for some people.

@andybalaam
@kravietz

Yes, it is working for some people, but I wonder if the current patreon system can sustain so much creators if YouTube stop paying money.

I personally think that system would get saturated and would collapse, substantislly reducing the number of creators available.

I'm not defending YouTube (I HATE YouTube and all it represents), I'm just playing Devil's advocate here..

@Vortax @kravietz Yeah to have a Free world, we might need to accept a different world too, but hey!

@Vortax @andybalaam YT is already saturated, relatively small group takes 99% of all the views & subscribers and earns well (and Google even better) There's plenty "YT demonetized me" dramas out there recently

@kravietz
@andybalaam

Yes, and that is why lots and lots of content creators have switched to Twitch... Because they pay more.

Creators have stopped to adapt their video format to the one needed for yourtube, to that needed for twitch (duration, format, content...).

If they went to another platform because they are paid more, even to the point of radically change their format, how can we expect them to migrate to a platform that pays zero? I think it's impossible.

@kravietz @andybalaam
My point is:

Currently, content creators only want money. We have switch from one format were people made videos besides their jobs, to a format were they want to work making videos. There is no turning back, I'm afraid.

As long as there is a single platform that pays them money, there is no hope to free, open source, unpaid platform. At least for big creators, which cope like 95% of all content out there.

@Vortax @andybalaam that's why I earlier said it depends on your objectives. Pay per views, ads, referrals - sure go for YT, Twitch. But plenty of people post content for knowledge sharing, community, self-promo etc - for those Peertube does the job and doesn't impose arbitrary rules like "no hacking videos"

@Vortax @kravietz Also worth noting: an increasing number of people on YouTube and Twitch are using Patreon to earn money, which does not give power to Google. Even better would be free alternatives switching.social/ethical-alter

@kravietz
@andybalaam

Question about peertube: is there also instances? If so, when the owner of the instance decided to close it, wouldn't all videos uploaded disappear?

@Vortax @kravietz my understanding is yes: if the instance owner takes it down the videos are gone. My response: keep backups, and try to choose an instance where I can trust the owner to give warning if that has to happen.

@andybalaam
@kravietz

Well, that is very problematic, indeed. Not much of a problem if all you have uploaded are a handful of videos, but I can't see those channels with hundreds of them be willing to reupload everything each time the owner of a instance gets bored and decides to close it.

@Vortax @kravietz it requires trust in the instance maintainer, just like we (unwisely) trust Google not to delete YouTube videos.

@Vortax
Stop paying with your data then. That's the point of #peertube.

It seems like it's worthless now, but if you back up these videos on a peertube instance, you're creating the content and the audience for a wider shift to an Internet where youtube does not get to decide whether you are visible or not.

@kravietz

@manicphase
@kravietz

I don't own those videos, so I have not right to upload them to peertube. Their creators should first allow it.

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