Is the Whonix project run by fascists? https://micahflee.com/2020/06/is-the-whonix-project-run-by-fascists/
@micahflee The problem I have with this is just how breathlessly you're labelling Gab as "neo-Nazi". Undoubtedly there are people who embrace all the adjacent labels on that particular platform, but your argument is presented with this being the essential nature of it as a priori. I think there's an alternative narrative about what Gab is that doesn't require imbuing them with some noble "free speech" goals. With such a view, would such association be less "problematic"?
@Johnny_of_the_swamp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gab_(social_network) "Co-founder and CEO Andrew Torba has cited 'the entirely left-leaning Big Social monopoly' and an alleged bias against conservative articles by Facebook as his reasons for creating the site." lol
@jonah Yes, the site is primarily a con job for conservative Boomers who get booted off Facebook and Twitter after running afoul of vague and subjective site rules.
@Johnny_of_the_swamp I think the point is that what should be a non-political software project aligning itself with a pro-hate-speech platform is not ideal.
@Johnny_of_the_swamp > Last I checked Richard Spencer is still on Twitter.
That is a con for Twitter, which is almost as bad, sure, not a pro for Gab. Twitter is already a cesspool, imagine what a platform of people that had to be 'booted off' it is going to look like lol
So what is the standard? What is the percentage of undesirables a platform passes in which association becomes problematic? Do right-wing people have the same consideration towards inclusivity in calling out associations with "far-left" networks?
I am glad you take this position. Even more a reason for me to inform you, that several individuals that are part of somewhat the core of privacytools.io are in favor of whonix promoting gab.
If you need names and logs, I could see if I find it in the chat history.
oh wait, while I'm writing this, I remember you engaged on exactly this topic already with me.
I pointed out to you that your community members support Gab.
You responded with ridiculizing me.
Have you changed your mind?
People of your community gave/give support to Gab and so to facism.
Confront it, or be confronted!
@syster PrivacyTools is a diverse group of people that all work hard to promote online privacy, even if I don’t agree with everyone’s opinions all the time. And if they choose to share them on their own time and personal accounts who am I to stop them? It’s a volunteer-based project, not some sort of employment.
@jonah
1. no, it's not very diverse. It contains mostly out of liberal white cis dudes.
2. you are giving support to Gab-supporter on the base, that they share resources with privacytools.io. That is concering to me.
@syster > It contains mostly out of liberal white cis dudes.
again - what do you want me to do about this then?
1. that you listen to concerns that are related to discrimination and that you take them seriously, even more when it is linked to fascism.
2. that you take position against discrimination, even more when it is linked to fascism.
3. that you will never play again the "but they have supported that project, so I don't call them out/in" card.
@jonah
4. that there will be reflection about your and your communities whiteness (it's not about your skin color, it's about an ideology, that if you have never identified as such, you'll be reproducing it.)
5. that there will be reflection about free software being political and what it means if this political sphere is open to fascism.
6. that action will result from this reflection
"isolategab" - you do realize they already de-federated from everyone, right? They self-isolated.
I understand your desire to crusade, but your energies will be better spent when you realize that Gab primarily exists to grift clueless politically incorrect boomers, most 'supporters' are not even using the platform and that they have been caught inflating their usage stats.
I found the beginning of that chat. If you have a matrix account, you can find it here:
If you don't, I can copy/paste that for you.
@jonah The idea that software projects are non-political is antiquated. Furthermore, there's a certain 'nutpicking' aspect to all of this as well. You have a wikipedia page pointing out the 2018 shooting and yet the New Zealand shooting was streamed on Facebook. Is the mere presence of abhorrent people on the platform sufficient for it to be "pro-hate-speech"? Last I checked Richard Spencer is still on Twitter.