Question for folks. So I have been on a journey learning about privacy this year. But is there a secure smartphone OS or are they all basically bad for privacy? They seem like the biggest vulnerability to give data to big companies. I have cleared up a lot of habits, I use Signal with close friends, protonmail for email, VPNs whenever possible, Boxcryptor for files. But phones: what should I know?

@ben_dw security != privacy. I'd argue that there are exceptional security solutions for mobile devices (iOS and GrapheneOS primarily). Privacy is trickier, because it depends on who you want privacy from.

GrapheneOS as @moz mentioned is great by default because it doesn't come with Google Apps (and in fact you can't install them in a secure manner AFAIK), so if you're careful there's no worries about your data being shared with big corporations oike Google and Facebook.

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@ben_dw ...but if you're looking for privacy from ISPs (mobile carriers) or your government, smartphones are inherently not private devices. Their design inherently leaks lots of data (like personal ID via phone number, and location via cell tower triangulation or GPS) that can't be easily disabled, if at all.

If that's your threat model an iPod Touch might be best, as it's WiFi only so you can disable all wireless communications if need be, and they're just as secure as an iPhone.

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