What's everyone's opinion of Protonmail vs Startmail?
@pkntl Different audiences, I think StartMail is probably fine privacy-wise, haven't used it myself, but ProtonMail is much more focused on the security aspect and I think does a better job at it IMO. I'd probably go with ProtonMail personally.
@thoughtcrime @jonah I thought it was but searching for those two keywords nothing specific comes up. I'm beginning to doubt that it's complete e2ee
@pkntl
I think it is not, it only lets you PGP encrypt easily. On the other hand, #protonmail encrypts your mail with a key they dont have (of course they recieve it in a different way, but they at least encrypt it)
@jonah
@thoughtcrime @pkntl to be fair Protonmail is really only E2EE with other Protonmail users, who aren't numerous. PGP is the best solution for email E2EE, and that's a provider agnostic solution.
@thoughtcrime interesting, wasn't aware of that. At the end of the day it really just depends on your threat model I suppose. Personally I would probably just go self-hosted for everything and use client-side encryption (PGP) rather than trust some closed-source solution (Protonmail) to do it for me. But my privacy needs don't require anonymity (which I feel are often conflated). If you're looking to hide your identity but need to accept clearnet emails, Protonmail seems like the best bet.
@jonah
I agree, thats why I prefer #protonmail to #tutanota, their e2e implememtation is pgp-compatible (its pgp actually) whereas tuta's isnt
@pkntl