When it comes to the privacy vs usability debate, I come down hard on the side of privacy. Doesn't matter how pretty it is if it's going to get you rubber hosed.

An example of this in practice is eschewing software & services which use privacy and security in their marketing but whose implementations don't hold up under scrutiny, such as Protonmail and Keybase.

A lot of people will defend such products regardless, resulting in a trend I've been thinking of as "privacy roleplaying". It's harmful and needs to stop.

If you're familiar with privacytools.io, by the way, they have a seriously bad problem with privacy roleplaying. I do not recommend them as a resource.

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@sir

PrivacyTools provides a baseline considered to be reliable and safe based upon criteria and general consensus. We constantly improve and refine.

We always encourage people within our community to consider their threat model. Not everyone needs "dial up to 11" security which usually comes at the cost of UX, or requires substantial background knowledge.

If the choice is between having something or nothing, we encourage people to think about what they need.

Disclosure, I'm a team member.

@dngray why don't you quit privacy roleplaying and actually investigate and explain claims of privacy and how they hold up to scrutiny? Or just keep shilling ProtonMail because you bought their marketing team's bullshit

@dngray "ProtonMail has zero access encryption at rest for your emails, address book contacts, and calendars. This means the messages and other data stored in your account are only readable by you."

Straight up lying

@sir

They're pretty clear about what is encrypted:

protonmail.com/support/knowled
protonmail.com/blog/protoncale

Just because someone disagrees with you, does not make them a shill. Personally I do not use ProtonMail (though I have tested it thoroughly). I have a number of mail accounts, mailbox.org, disroot.org, and one hosted at privacytools.io.

That is not to say I think ProtonMail is a bad product however and have recommended it on numerous occasions to people both IRL and through PrivacyTools.

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I have also run my own mail before myself, and have set them up for commercial clients.

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