I don't fit into this world, or this way of living.
The mundane BS of going to work for someone else doing something I don't even want to be doing, just so I can get digital numbers put into my damn back account so that I can give those numbers to OTHER people just for the privilege of doing it all over again.
Sometimes I think this entire system and way of existance needs to burned, destroyed and buried and forgotten.
@CyberSocialist socialism is better for sure. The USA is now communist for all intents and purposes.
After the 08 crash the government bailed out/now owns the car industry, the housing market and banks.
That's pretty much the definition of communism running under the illusion of freedom.
@Wetrix it’s as far removed from communist as errrr neoliberal Capitalism can get. Not a coincidence. lol
@CyberSocialist but I don't even think socialism is the answer tbh.
Human beings are the only animal that let's the mentally ill, and incompetent breed.
We're literally creating reverse darwinism and going against the laws of nature and natural selection and wonder why the human race is in decline and destroying the planet.
@Wetrix there aren’t laws. It’s a man-made theory. And everyone has a right to a family life. It’s clearly stated as a protected right in the UN declaration of human rights, to which the USA is a signatory.
@CyberSocialist I think we need to go back to basics and into a more primal and pure society.
@Wetrix I’d recommend reading/listening to this
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Socialist-Manifesto-Radical-Politics-Inequality-ebook/dp/B07PYPFGSM
@CyberSocialist @Wetrix Socialism is an utopia in the best case, in reality it's a vague concept that is defined by everyone differently. In the worst case it's a totalitarian nightmare as in USSR and economic collapse. So socialism is no answer and never was - constant change, reforms, dialogue are the only answers that ever worked.
@kravietz @CyberSocialist to be fair, even that doesn't work.
There's never been a long term successful civilization and we're quickly finding out that capitalism is a complete failure.
These systems are not inherently bad, but anything that humans are involved in becomes corrupt and broken by our very nature.
@Wetrix @CyberSocialist It depends what you take for "long term". Communism longest survived ~70 years and collapsed indebted to Western countries. Capitalism in Europe and US probably 10x that and over that period, and globally people experienced crowing standards of living, health and life expectancy. This is an nicely visualised on https://www.gapminder.org/tools/ based on actual data.
@kravietz @CyberSocialist thx for that link I'll get a look at it tomorrow 🙂
What I mean by successful is one that simply hasn't collapsed.
Inherently by our nature no system will ever work. We are to corrupted by emotions.
No matter what system it is, greed, power, lies etc we will destroy it.
@Wetrix @CyberSocialist I wouldn't be that pessimistic, because the civilisation as we see it has *not* collapsed. It has recovered from the Plague, WW1, WW2, ozone depletion, overpopulation and gradually improved after each of these. Hopes are it will still find enough reason to recover from AGW and again take some lessons from it.
@CyberSocialist @kravietz you didn't watch the documentary obviously.
@CyberSocialist @kravietz human carbon omissions are not the cause of global warming.
Just like how they told us in the 80''s we were going into an "ice age" then in the 90's it was "holes in the ozone layer" now it's "global warming!"
The earth was hotter with more carbon in the 30's then it is now.
@CyberSocialist @kravietz the problem is that people that are to dumb to know better like extinction rebellion listen to idiots like al gore that has no clue what he's talking about.
The earth has ALWAYS gone through hot and cold cycles and climate change. We just happening to be living in a transition phase.
@CyberSocialist @kravietz if the earth's climate never changed we'd still be a tropical landmass covered in fur trees 😅
@CyberSocialist @kravietz global warming? No.
@Wetrix @kravietz no, that response is distinctly anti-science. The evidence is clear: man made CO2 being added to the environment through the burning of fossil fuels since the dawn of the industrial revolution (and not-coincidentally the beginning of the Age of Capitalism) is changing the earth faster than at any time ever before. There is no science to show the opposite.
@CyberSocialist @kravietz yes there is. Lots. Actually.
Start with what they tell you in documentary.
@CyberSocialist @kravietz sure. You start.
Don't argue a point with no sources when asking for some.
@Wetrix @kravietz wow, that defensive? You don’t present sources ‘only if’ someone else does: you present sources because they validate your argument. You’re trying to disprove consensus science, yet you have zero evidence. You’re the one arguing against the scientific orthodoxy, not me. Without sources you have no leg to stand on. Me? I’ve got the UN and American science as a whole.
@CyberSocialist these aren't sources this is just stuff your saying. Let's see them.
@CyberSocialist @kravietz and you talking shit with n use the internet. It's not just one documentary.
@CyberSocialist @kravietz Umm. That's what made the internet. Science. You know, like that stuff called electricity. 🤓
@CyberSocialist @kravietz so if the internet isn't science why do all science organizations have websites?
@CyberSocialist @kravietz you said the internet isn't science. So I'm doing how you got to that conclusion.
I didn't say I deny global warming. Just man made global warming.
Well, there are actually vast amounts of reliable research showing that both climate is warming on unprecedented scale (last time a million years ago). This nice stripes diagram shows avg temperature growth since 19th century to now
@kravietz @CyberSocialist actually the last time the climate warmed was only 400 years ago in the period known as the midevil warming Era. I'm going to bed but I'll look it up tomorrow. It was warmer then than it is even now.
@Wetrix I know where you're coming from beause like 10 years ago I was very skeptical and raising the same popular myths against AGW.
The science behind AGW is solid and reliable. I studied chemistry so eventually I went into all the journals to check on my own and changed my mind.
The problem is that activists on both sides - including Greenpeace and XR now - lied a lot about it to push their political agendas. But this has nothing to do with science.
@kravietz I'm always willing to learn and will look into this. I appreciate your replies :)
@Wetrix If you read again carefully you'll see the key part: MWP was *regional* phenomenon. Current AGW is a *global* phenomenon, which has much larger impact on the *whole* planet.
The bluish shows MWP average temperatures difference vs 20th century and you can clearly see that it was warmer in *some* places but globally it was actually colder than today.
The redish picture shows temperature difference 20th century vs today.
Can you spot the difference?
@Wetrix Equally there's vast amount of reliable research showing that anthropogenically produced CO2 has been contributing to that process on very significant scale.
Probably the most direct one is air concentration of carbon isotope 12C (fossil) as compared to isotopes 13C, 14C and 18C which are part of the natural CO₂ cycle.
This essentially means burnt fossil fuels are flooding the atmosphere with CO₂ that was long buried underground.
Also there's plenty of simply false arguments that are circulated among climate change skeptics.
For example the popular "volcanoes emit more CO₂ than humans" argument that nobody on the skeptical side cares to verify.
All world's volcanoes emit 0.3 billions of tons of CO₂ per year.
At the same tim humans emit 30-60 billions of tons of CO₂ per year.
@CyberSocialist @kravietz it's just the latest scare tactic for money. And to keep the 3rd world from developing.
Keeping the rich rich and the poor poor.
@CyberSocialist @kravietz keeping Africa from industralizing?
How do you think China got a middle class?
@CyberSocialist @Wetrix > Well done capitalism
And non-capitalist countries were running their industry on... what exactly? USSR, Venezuela, North Korea? On pranic energy?
@kravietz @Wetrix that’s not the point. Capitalism isn’t magic. It’s not the answer to all problems, in fact it causes many new issues that need resolving. It is however highly historically contingent, not ‘neutral’ in its force to marketise everything and when you consider that most of the 1% actually live a life more governed by this “utopian” socialist ideology
@kravietz @Wetrix (perfect healthcare, no need to work to live, unprecedented access to travel, are the greatest consumers of natural resources - essentially unlimited consumption constrained by financial limits- and the greatest polluters per capita , set their own remunerations , nearly immune from political restrictions placed upon everyone else, greater access to justice through highly paid Council) you realise everyone would want this for themselves, if only they could get it.
@CyberSocialist What you described also perfectly matches the description of "nomenclature" in Soviet and other non-capitalist countries.
Homo sapiens unfortunately has this tendency to create privileged castes.
It's a pathology just as well in capitalist and socialist system, but it's buried in human nature.
What prevents it is institutions such as independent media and judiciary, law enforcement and public transparency.
Cc @Wetrix
@kravietz I think it's more simply the powerful preying on the weak.
That is definitely human nature.
@CyberSocialist @kravietz exactly. I want it to 😊
@Wetrix the trick is to own something outright. It doesn't matter what it is, small or large. If you have something that can't easily be taken from you then you can always count on it.
@Wetrix it’s called capitalism and it’s fantastic for crushing the spirit and independence out of human beings. It’s designed and run for the capital owning 1%. Socialism is the answer.