@a1batross @Tommy At least google quite allows to exorcise their devices, specially their official ones.

But yeah, with big tech right now either you pick nothing from them (what I do) or you have to go frankenstein.

@lanodan @Tommy yes they are. But they seem regret this. Otherwise they would not pull useless SELinux into Android. Or mess with permissions, root access, locked bootloaders. Or practically removing the whole access to filesystem(see app scopes). They are bad people and they hate us.

I don't like when Google is compared to Facebook or Apple.

I personally can get away from them. I don't have FB profile, I don't have anything from Apple. But as Android dev I really depend on Google's decisions and it hurts me.

@a1batross @lanodan
Makes sense and it is :-(

@a1batross @Tommy
> root access and locked bootloaders

This isn't because of Google, in fact their devices can be rooted and flashed in an official manner IIRC.
But shit like Asus tablets? Oh yeah, let me require a bunch of bullshit to flip a bit in the bootloader.
And on the chromebooks (or at least some of them) it's just a physical protection (a screw) that can be made tamper-free, I wish this would be the same on most devices.

@lanodan @Tommy they could've enforce the vendors to provide the ONLY unified way to unlock the bootloader.

But they didn't. They also not enforced the vendors to increase the life of device. Most devices don't really get more than one or two security updates and that's all.

@a1batross @Tommy Unified way to unlock the bootloader could be done but pretty sure that it's vendors being assholes here (like for other linux systems, see TiVo).

And for the span of life I think that should be something like the EU (where most things have at least a 2-years warranty by design), Google can't really help there but notice that vendors only care about shipping devices, same is true for Microsoft btw.

@lanodan @a1batross @Tommy I have the misfortune of having a huawei device

@Meeper @Tommy @a1batross Well the way I've bought android devices in the past 10 years is basically: Go on XDA, pick one of the most active one and make sure it has CyanogenMod (now LineageOS) and with good support.
(And so I bought a OnePlus One in 2014 as it came with CyanogenMod by default, which ended up running SailfishOS)

Next phone for me is going to be the pinephone btw.

@lanodan @Tommy @a1batross

My dad just found it used somewhere, I did make a point about having a phone that I can root but he didn’t know about huawei’s shit ((i can’t even change the lockscreen to muzei for some reason)) He got it without asking me so I gotta stick with it.

But yeah XDA ftw

@lanodan @Tommy @a1batross I got his old iPhone before that but it commited apple-isepukku just when the cool checkra1n stuff came out

@a1batross
Thank you!

It's sad how Google earns almost all their money out of people's data.

In Short terms long: Google is a pile of shit (generally)

@Tommy @a1batross

the linux crowd knew that a long time ago about goog and microsoft...

@Tommy @a1batross

and FB

@EMPEROR
In general terms, that would be true.