Your Computer Isn't Yours
Niklas
@freddy My computer is mine because it runs Linux.People who use proprietary software don't deserve anything better than that.
@nipos Hate to tell you but your computer probably still isn't yours. If you have an Intel or AMD processor (other than a few) your device is packed with hardware level spying that you can't remove. Also Linux is wildly insecure and its only saving grace is security by obscurity which won't protect it as it's shallow excuse forever. Also due to its lack of any meaningful sandbox, any anti privacy apps you have installed are tracking everything you're doing in other apps too.
@ThreeBadgersInATrenchcoat Linux is *not* insecure and I only use free open source software.
@nipos It is objectively insecure. There is no sandboxing on the standard desktop, the entire kernel is written in a memory unsafe language, the kernel is too big for anyone to review so you just have to trust others, the kernel is wildly behind on exploit mitigations, a compromised non-root user with access to sudo is almost equal to a full root compromise as there are an insane amount of ways for an attacker to retrieve a password,
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Hardening Linux to a point in which it's actually secure is well out of the range of normal users and would take a team of skilled devs to have the knowledge and put in the time, no standard desktop OS devs have done this so far. Just because you harden a few SELinux policies or use a distro with a MAC framework without strict enforcement and policies or whatever else you consider hardening, it doesn't fix the inherent architectural problems with Linux and it's overarching security model.
@nemo Also I don't see how the link you attached is at all related to the discussion of hardening Linux.
@ThreeBadgersInATrenchcoat Sorry I don't feed trolls
@nemo Genuinely not trolling. Qubes isn't even a Linux distribution, they say it themselves.
@ThreeBadgersInATrenchcoat You are refering to this:
Is Qubes just another Linux distribution?
If you really want to call it a distribution, then it’s more of a “Xen distribution” than a Linux one. But Qubes is much more than just Xen packaging. It has its own VM management infrastructure, with support for template VMs, centralized VM updating, etc. It also has a very unique GUI virtualization infrastructure.
@nemo Feels satirical but maybe I'm just reading too much into it. Assuming that it is genuine then it's not a big deal, I actually see that on Wikipedia now. It has some roots in fedora but as they said its much more heavily based on Xen so neither place is just outright lying or totally incorrect really.
@ThreeBadgersInATrenchcoat Yeah I also thought that it is mainly based on fedora that was the reason why I got confused. Thats the problem with complexity neither of us is entirely wrong or correct. I still think that linux has a lot of advantages also disadvantages but the advantages outweigh the disadvantages
@nemo Right, I've just kind of taken what they say on that but I could be wrong. Yeah it's a complicated discussion, but I'm glad we could actually discuss it in a civil way, you'd be surprised how many people get so defensive and unnecessarily aggressive about it. I couldn't agree more, its a balancing act of security and privacy, and if privacy is your concern the Linux or BSD is just about as good as it gets.
@ThreeBadgersInATrenchcoat Exactly, yeah I feel the same way. It's really hard nowadays to have a constructive discussion about anything. At the beginning I thought that you tried to troll, hence the response. But you seem like a legit being. I thank you very much for the participation and engagement. If you wan't to have a chit chat or something feel free to toot me :D
Regards👍
@nemo 100%, like most people on here are overly defensive over whatever OS they're using and refuse to listen to any other point of view (even seen people do it with Windows 10) so thank you for not being like that.
Yeah looking back I get what you mean, I can see that it looked that way.
Thank you so much for your kindness and civility! 😁
Tschüss! 👍
@ThreeBadgersInATrenchcoat No problem :)
There is a general problem nowadays due to polarization people forget how to communicate civilized.
I thank you for not being the thing which assumed you where at the beginning :)
Likewise 😃
Tschüss👍
@ThreeBadgersInATrenchcoat You are correct my mistake sorry. I trusted wikipedia I'll never make that mistake again