@freddy My computer is mine because it runs Linux.People who use proprietary software don't deserve anything better than that.

@nipos Hate to tell you but your computer probably still isn't yours. If you have an Intel or AMD processor (other than a few) your device is packed with hardware level spying that you can't remove. Also Linux is wildly insecure and its only saving grace is security by obscurity which won't protect it as it's shallow excuse forever. Also due to its lack of any meaningful sandbox, any anti privacy apps you have installed are tracking everything you're doing in other apps too.

@ThreeBadgersInATrenchcoat Linux is *not* insecure and I only use free open source software.

@nipos It is objectively insecure. There is no sandboxing on the standard desktop, the entire kernel is written in a memory unsafe language, the kernel is too big for anyone to review so you just have to trust others, the kernel is wildly behind on exploit mitigations, a compromised non-root user with access to sudo is almost equal to a full root compromise as there are an insane amount of ways for an attacker to retrieve a password,

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Hardening Linux to a point in which it's actually secure is well out of the range of normal users and would take a team of skilled devs to have the knowledge and put in the time, no standard desktop OS devs have done this so far. Just because you harden a few SELinux policies or use a distro with a MAC framework without strict enforcement and policies or whatever else you consider hardening, it doesn't fix the inherent architectural problems with Linux and it's overarching security model.

@nemo Also I don't see how the link you attached is at all related to the discussion of hardening Linux.

@nemo Genuinely not trolling. Qubes isn't even a Linux distribution, they say it themselves.

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@nemo Yeah I realized right after I sent it, I just typed the link incorrectly. There is another reply with the correct URL, though.

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