León Castillejos @L1Cafe@social.privacytools.io

@downey Is this sarcasm?

@null0x0 I mean, OVH are a hosting company in case you didn't know. So it's a datacenter. But there are some tiny tasks performed by a small server at home. Backup and automation among them.

@null0x0 SoYouStart, part of OVH

@null0x0 It's a pretty big server. Like a quad core Xeon with 32 GB of RAM. I host a bunch of other services, too, anyway. I should update the homepage but I need to find free time for that...

@null0x0 I haven't actually looked into it. GitLab is definitely heavy on resources, but it is also rather feature-rich, much more than the alternatives (for example, Gitea has no CI/CD, so you have to rely on Jenkins while GitLab is an all-in-one package, easier to manage).

For now, since the GitLab server is only used primarily by me, I have no performance issues there or anywhere else.

@quad @tk @crunklord420 My point is that I take a pragmatic approach and simply pick the most (IMHO) suitable tools for the job.

I wouldn't dare do web development on Chromium, for example. I find Firefox' debug options vastly superior. But I don't like using Firefox as my main browser because it is not very respectful of my laptop's battery.

@quad @tk @crunklord420 CUPS was pretty nice indeed, but it seems like Apple doesn't care about anyone but themselves. Exactly like Microsoft.

And Red Hat is not a saint either, they push open source to outrun the closed source competition, while pushing their systemd, PulseAudio, Ansible, and other stuff to other distributions.

This isn't inherently bad (or good) either. Nothing's ever black or white.

@crunklord420 @tk @quad Of course I have.

Wouldn't you agree that the Brave, Edge and Vivaldi are a net positive outcome, though?

I mean, Google is now kicking adblocks and Brave and Vivaldi are joining forces to create an alternative to the Chrome Store. I think that is pretty positive, honestly.

(Even if you don't like the browsers specifically).

@crunklord420 @tk @quad Like I said. They're not NGOs. Of course they only care about money. That's the point.

But again, they didn't strictly need to do it. Microsoft's survival doesn't necessarily depend on VSCode being open source, that's my point.

@quad @tk @crunklord420 Microsoft is clearly steering towards open source, too. Edge, Visual Studio Code, .Net Core, PowerShell.

Don't get me wrong, above all, they're companies. They want to make money. They're not charity NGOs. But still, Microsoft didn't strictly need to make Edge and VSCode open source.

@crunklord420 @tk @quad Google Chrome is by itself an excellent product. It simply does not cater to your particular needs.

I personally use Brave. It's basically Chrome minus all the Google bullshit. Brave wouldn't exist without Google Chrome, let's be honest here.

Windows... Well, I'm not a fan, but there's a reason it's consumer computer OS number 1. (And one of them is not brainwashing, extortion and/or marketing).

@quad @tk @crunklord420

> Like being open source

Well, I'd say Red Hat products are as enterprise-grade as it gets, really. I would be inclined to say there's as much open source push on the enterprise side of things as there is on the consumer side of things.

@crunklord420 @tk @quad I have contacts inside Google and Microsoft. It may not look like it to the outsider, but these companies have the most solid software engineering principles I have ever seen. Nothing comes even close. Google, in particular. Amazon is second. Apple and Microsoft are last. But Microsoft is still better than your average run-of-the-mill 25-people webdev shop, this much I assure you.

@crunklord420 @tk @quad

> It's actually a bad move from a business perspective to spend the effort to provide security and quality

No it isn't. It may not make sense in the short term, but the biggest companies on the planet (GAFAM, FANG, whatever you want to call them) use solid engineering principles for long-lasting success.

Generally speaking, small and medium companies don't care about these issues until it's too late, and they're hacked, for example.