Should be something stable but I dunno how sensitive virtualization is to age.
Like CentOS, sure it's probably nice and stable, but how much did one miss out on by having your hypervisors stuck on CentOS 7 from 2014 until quite recently.
@quad Definitely do not go with CentOS.
Alpine would be nice, I'm sure, but the lack of glibc may end up breaking stuff (or maybe not).
Hmm... Why not Ubuntu LTS?
@tk @quad Anything can indeed be agile if you install Docker. Docker is a blessing for me, honestly. I run tens of services, and I don't have to worry about manually updating them (through apt, yum, dnf, or else) anymore. I just have an Ansible playbook that shuts the Docker machines down while keeping the volumes intact, and fetches the latest Docker image from hub.docker.com, while reconnecting them to their volumes and starting all of them up.
It's pure bliss.
i support containerization for quick deployment of test environments, temporary applications and isolation of certain components. But I absolutely despise seeing docker pretty much being used as a package manager
@quad @tk I think it adds a lot of stability, reproducibility, and security to a prod deployment.
For example, my Docker "master node" has like 3 or 4 networks that are isolated from each other, and allow services like MariaDB and such to talk to other servers. This way, all my databases are isolated from each other, and if a web service contains a vulnerability that allows the attacker to dump the databases, they won't see much from the other ones.
@crunklord420 @tk @quad To be fair, software engineering exists and very few companies seem to get it right. I don't understand why this is, but I suspect it's the same reason why Docker is not used properly either.
And then everyone acts shocked when basically half the MongoDB instances are fully exposed with no-authentication requirements and hundreds of millions (possibly near a billion) of users information is stolen.
It's actually a bad move from a business perspective to spend the effort to provide security and quality, which is why webdevs running docker is acceptable.
> It's actually a bad move from a business perspective to spend the effort to provide security and quality
No it isn't. It may not make sense in the short term, but the biggest companies on the planet (GAFAM, FANG, whatever you want to call them) use solid engineering principles for long-lasting success.
Generally speaking, small and medium companies don't care about these issues until it's too late, and they're hacked, for example.
@crunklord420 @tk @quad I have contacts inside Google and Microsoft. It may not look like it to the outsider, but these companies have the most solid software engineering principles I have ever seen. Nothing comes even close. Google, in particular. Amazon is second. Apple and Microsoft are last. But Microsoft is still better than your average run-of-the-mill 25-people webdev shop, this much I assure you.
Anyone employed by these companies should feel ashamed.
@crunklord420 @tk @quad Google Chrome is by itself an excellent product. It simply does not cater to your particular needs.
I personally use Brave. It's basically Chrome minus all the Google bullshit. Brave wouldn't exist without Google Chrome, let's be honest here.
Windows... Well, I'm not a fan, but there's a reason it's consumer computer OS number 1. (And one of them is not brainwashing, extortion and/or marketing).
