30,000 Cuban doctors currently active in 67 countries - many in Latin America and Africa, but also European nations including Portugal and Italy
@kravietz what a ‘surprise’ that the ‘great’ British propaganda organisation has a negative Cuba story. Just literally, what we’re the fucking odds? Don’t believe the BBC narrative. They’ve done more to undermine positive steps from Corbyn for a social safety-net and a NHS that’s funded properly. All crap, fake partisan reporting 💩
Or just arguing because someone dared to say people in Cuba are exploited?
@kravietz as if. I’m well read. The timing of this is enough to make anyone suspicious of the provenance of these assertions
If you have just a little bit of self-respect, how can you support a regime whose whole economic model is based on *preventing its own citizens from leaving the country?*
Maybe I'm a bit more sensitive to such oppression because I was born in country that operated just on this principle... When you are not free to leave you country you are nothing more than property of the state - and I wish Western leftists admitted that eventually.
@kravietz Moderate Rebels covered this: the US is asking countries to refuse help from Cuban doctors asking them to recognise them as human trafficking victims. This is mainstream media cooperation with a deeply racist neoliberal State department. Pretending that ‘because you can leave’ you are ‘Free’ is a nonsense; go anywhere you like and you’re debt with follow you.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque
Can you explain how in your understanding a ban on leaving your country - as NK, Cuba and USSR did - has anything to do with social justice? How do you explain & justify this? You call yourself a socialist - is forcibly keeping people in a country part of your socialism?
I'm genuinely interested. I've read a lot of justifications for why there's nothing wrong with living at $20/month in 70's Poland from people like JP Sartre living in $2000/pm France.
@kravietz you’re applying a ahistorical analysis to a country that’s been under an illegal and immoral blockade for the last 60 years. Actual wage levels per hour are not the issue. Neoliberalism doesn’t have the answer to climate destruction.
@CyberSocialist Because I can tell you first hand $20 monthly salary in communist Poland *was* a huge problem for my parents (I was 13 when the crap collapsed eventually).
Guess what - free housing and healthcare were *not* really free because when there's shortage of everything, from flats to basic medicines, you have to pay bribes and black market prices for these goods.
@kravietz Poland and the Cold War are a coexisting fact from 1960-1989: you can’t re-run history but neither can you ignore the racists that US/Russian geopolitics causes much of what you suffered. Blaming Cuba for fighting for its existence any way it can in the face imperial aggression seems ahistorical and pointless: the Media has an agenda against successful Cuba - that’s obvious, even to those who lived in the eastern block
I'm not blaming Cuba for fighting for independence.
I'm blaming Cuba for forcibly sticking to a failed economic model, keeping its citizens pariahs in their own country and renting them to capitalist countries as some kind of slaves.
> the Media has an agenda against successful Cuba
Except Cuba is *not* successful.
@kravietz yes, it is successful - why are you measuring purely GDP? For ideological reasons you’re ignoring facts: Cuban culture, music, art, dance, medicine, tourism, universal healthcare and education have all flourished despite the immoral and devastating US blockade and sanctions. You evidently know zero about Cuba. Why pretend?
If Cuba is successful, why people are risking lives to escape by boats to countries like Mexico or USA?
@kravietz that’s not a real argument for the success, in the context of a US blockade, of socialism in Cuba: people emigrate from many places for many reasons, even the USA! What are your criteria for ‘success’ then? And do some people wanting to leave mean it’s ‘failed’?
So the question is: why would an allegedly successful country prevent its citizens from leaving and how "successful" it is if people are so desperate to risk their lives to escape?
@kravietz Cuba would be 100x richer without the US blockade. Why not argue for the lifting of that?
So what you're trying to say here, is that country that has built a socialist economy that is scientifically proven by Marx to be superior to capitalist economy, is 100x poorer only because an unsuccessful capitalist country doesn't trade with it and doesn't give it loans?
Can you see any, you know, possible contradictions in this logic?
